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kcbubb · 01-29-2009, 10:52 AM

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

Deberg_1990 · 02-02-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Funny I thought Roethlisberger was a better prospect than Eli Manning and the only thing that made Eli a higher pick was his last name.

Man, what a QB draft 04 was. Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger all within the top 15.

Danman · 02-03-2009, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Drafting a QB is one thing. Reaching for a QB because you walk into the draft with the mentality that you are drafting a QB no ifs, ands, or buts about it is moronic. If Sanchez earns a #3 pick grade from Pioli, then I'm all for the Chiefs drafting him. But there are plenty of critics who are already questioning if Sanchez is ready and I promise there will be a lot more. Case-in-point, every draftnik had the Browns taking Brady Quinn at #3. Boy did they all look like morons when he fell all the way out of the top 20.

You don't reach because you are drafting out of need. PERIOD. Sanchez has a lot of questions to answer and people are still definitively saying he's a #3 pick. That's interesting. He is not even CLOSE to the consensus top 5 pick that guys like Eli or Palmer were and he carries a HELL of a lot more question marks than Matt Ryan did.

Sanchez started out as a mid to late 1st round pick by the draftnicks. He's now top 5 or top 10 in most. He is the #1 choice for the lions in one. He is not a reach. He is my first choice. I've stated several reasons why. Stafford would be my second choice.

Question is, are the rams tempted to take QB. The case can be made that they also have the #2 pick in the draft and may never be in position to take QB, and they are rebuilding with a new GM and HC. If both QBs are gone, who do we pick? If, as we've said, we can't trade out of the third spot, I take Curry. And yes I'm quite aware that you normally don't take a LB that high, but I still don't like the DEs and we already have a good young LT and two young CBs.

Coogs · 02-03-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danman

Question is, are the rams tempted to take QB. The case can be made that they also have the #2 pick in the draft and may never be in position to take QB, and they are rebuilding with a new GM and HC. If both QBs are gone, who do we pick?

Or if these two grade out real high, does someone jump the Chiefs to get into the #2 spot. It appears if you want a QB from those two, that is what it is going to take to get it done.

kcbubb · 02-03-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Drafting a QB is one thing. Reaching for a QB because you walk into the draft with the mentality that you are drafting a QB no ifs, ands, or buts about it is moronic. If Sanchez earns a #3 pick grade from Pioli, then I'm all for the Chiefs drafting him. But there are plenty of critics who are already questioning if Sanchez is ready and I promise there will be a lot more. Case-in-point, every draftnik had the Browns taking Brady Quinn at #3. Boy did they all look like morons when he fell all the way out of the top 20.

You don't reach because you are drafting out of need. PERIOD. Sanchez has a lot of questions to answer and people are still definitively saying he's a #3 pick. That's interesting. He is not even CLOSE to the consensus top 5 pick that guys like Eli or Palmer were and he carries a HELL of a lot more question marks than Matt Ryan did.

Thank you. I'm glad someone pointed out that he does have a some question marks. Does Cassel have some risk too? Yes, they both do. But how most you guys value Sanchez as infinitely better or at minimum half a draft better than Cassel is not realistic.

RustShack · 02-03-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Thank you. I'm glad someone pointed out that he does have a some question marks. Does Cassel have some risk too? Yes, they both do. But how most you guys value Sanchez as infinitely better or at minimum half a draft better than Cassel is not realistic.

There has never been a perfect prospect bundle of sticks nuts. Everyone has had and always will have question marks. There is going to be douche bags like you every year crying about the best prospects in year because of a question mark and little bitches like you crying for Carl to take us the safe route and bring in a proven QB so we can get back to a first round playoff loss.

kcbubb · 02-03-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

There has never been a perfect prospect pillowbiter nuts. Everyone has had and always will have question marks. There is going to be douche bags like you every year crying about the best prospects in year because of a question mark and little bitches like you crying for Carl to take us the safe route and bring in a proven QB so we can get back to a first round playoff loss.

The best teams are normally in the hunt for the superbowl. The Chiefs have a ton of holes. I think it is better to get several picks for one and trying to improve the entire team instead of picking a QB to play on a bad team. I know... I know.... terrible idea.

**The Franchise** · 02-03-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

The best teams are normally in the hunt for the superbowl. The Chiefs have a ton of holes. I think it is better to get several picks for one and trying to improve the entire team instead of picking a QB to play on a bad team. I know... I know.... terrible idea.

STOP. TRYING. TO. TRADE. DOWN. It's not going to happen.

kcbubb · 02-03-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

STOP. TRYING. TO. TRADE. DOWN. It's not going to happen.

If Sanchez is worth as much as you guys say he is, then it should be easy. I would take a 2nd and 4th this year and a 2nd and 5th next year to move back. And maybe take advantage of all the defensive talent that is coming out next year.

**The Franchise** · 02-03-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

If Sanchez is worth as much as you guys say he is, then it should be easy. I would take a 2nd and 4th this year and a 2nd and 5th next year to move back. And maybe take advantage of all the defensive talent that is coming out next year.

If Sanchez is worth what we say he is......THEN WHY THE **** WOULDN'T WE JUST DRAFT HIM!?

**DeezNutz** · 02-03-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

If Sanchez is worth what we say he is......THEN WHY THE **** WOULDN'T WE JUST DRAFT HIM!?

Because you don't add potentially great quarterbacks to bad teams.

Wait. WTF?!?

**jAZ** · 02-03-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Thank you. I'm glad someone pointed out that he does have a some question marks. Does Cassel have some risk too? Yes, they both do. But how most you guys value Sanchez as infinitely better or at minimum half a draft better than Cassel is not realistic.

I have zero problem using our #3 pick on Cassell if Pioli thinks its the best use of that pick.

None.

The best part of this draft is that we have someone who has intimate knowledge of one of the high profile QBs on the market, and a reputation for learning everything that is necessary to draft a player. So we are in good hands. And if Pioli thinks that Cassell is better than either Stafford or Sanchez and is worth a #3 overall pick, I'd be shocked, but excited.

RustShack · 02-03-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

The best teams are normally in the hunt for the superbowl. The Chiefs have a ton of holes. I think it is better to get several picks for one and trying to improve the entire team instead of picking a QB to play on a bad team. I know... I know.... terrible idea.

Just quit trying, if you think trading down is an option you are ****ing stupid. Five years ago, yeah no problem... it just doesn't happen anymore unless there is a player that is once in a lifetime, which there isn't one this year. The compensation and money is way to much now to trade up.

**The Franchise** · 02-03-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Just quit trying, if you think trading down is an option you are ****ing stupid. Five years ago, yeah no problem... it just doesn't happen anymore unless there is a player that is once in a lifetime, which there isn't one this year. The compensation and money is way to much now to trade up.

Que the "Draft Chart is reeruned" argument.

ChiefRon · 02-03-2009, 11:13 AM

This is like that movie "Groundhog Day" every day the exact same thing happens.

No news, wild rumors, people arguing to trade down, draft chart makes no sense why can't we trade down cause I'm scared to draft a QB with #3, we need to stock up on mid and late round picks cause we have so many needs, blah-blah.

JFC...

Coogs · 02-03-2009, 11:21 AM

I caught this article in our local newspaper (The Salina Journal). I thought it was an iinteresting take on what you want and don't want in a franchise QB. What you do want sounds a whole lot like what Sanchez brings to the table...

Jay needs extreme makeover
By Terry Frei
The Denver Post
Posted: 02/03/2009 12:30:00 AM MST
Updated: 02/03/2009 01:18:00 AM MST

Not looking and acting the part of a leader - on and off the field - will only hurt Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler. Something Jake Plummer said to The Denver Post's Mike Klis last week jumped out at me.

No, it wasn't what Plummer said about ousted Broncos coach Mike Shanahan.

It was Plummer's assessment of his one-time teammate and quarterback successor, Jay Cutler.

"He's a great quarterback, don't get me wrong," Plummer said. "I'm not saying anything to disrespect him. I think he's a hell of a player. But Jeff George was a hell of a player. There's a lot of guys who have been great players."

It's a given: Great players and great talents are not necessarily great quarterbacks.

One of the reasons I winced when reading Plummer's comments, however, was that in a previous professional stop, I wrote a magazine story in 1995 that tackled the issue of whether a certain much-maligned, widely despised, and unquestionably highly talented NFL quarterback had — at long last — grown up.

While unrepentant and defiant about his earlier actions in college, and at Indianapolis, Jeff George — the top overall pick in the 1990 draft — persuaded me that he had matured, and he would become both a great quarterback and a leader in his second season with the Falcons.

So did his head coach, June Jones, and his position coach, Mouse Davis. The two run-and-shoot gurus were convincing, both on and off the record. I didn't have enough tape for all of Davis' raves about George's awe-inspiring talent.

What happened? George had a solid 1995 season for Atlanta, but in September 1996 he imploded on the sideline after being pulled in the third game of the season. He was suspended and never played for the Falcons again. I was left thinking that if he couldn't get along with the affable and respected Jones, who had staked his job and reputation on George, he couldn't get along with anybody. In 1997, he led the league in passing yards for a 4-12 Raiders team, but he never shook the image of an underachieving rockhead — and loser, in more ways than one

Jeff George as he moved along from Oakland to Minnesota and Washington.
Unlike George, Cutler never will be accused of having a million-dollar arm, a dime-store attitude and a scarecrow's brain. He's not that bad, but being compared to George, even if it was done by a deposed quarterback who carries an ax with him in the Idaho woods, should give Cutler — and those around him — pause for additional thought.

How Cutler acts away from Dove Valley is his business, although one of the realities of his business is that tongues wag. Beyond that, and more important, he too often seems unconcerned about attempting to project the aura of class and leadership that the great quarterbacks have, both in the dressing and meeting rooms, and so many other places.

They have "it." Their teammates spot it. Their coaches feel it. The fans know it. Cutler doesn't yet have "it" and, even worse, doesn't seem to much care.

He deserves praise and perhaps occasional leeway for his battle with diabetes, and this is a guy who made it through four years at Vanderbilt, so he's not intellectually deficient. Yet that only goes so far.

I'm not into dress codes or mandatory use of hair spray and a brush, but it's all part of a package, and if you look like, well, a slob while doing interviews at the Super Bowl while the next young quarterback on the set looks as if he just stepped off the pages of Esquire, that doesn't help.

Eyes half-closed and an attitude of disinterest at the interview podium that makes it look as if you just awakened five minutes ago — even if you've been at Dove Valley for six hours — doesn't bolster the image, either.
Does any of that matter? Absolutely. The quarterback's unmatched responsibility as a leader, and his need to inspire and envelop others in that winner's aura, makes the ancillary issues important too. And that includes being likable, both by his teammates and everyone he comes in contact with.

Any quarterback's world is far different, also, in 2009 than it was in, say, 1985. The spotlight is brighter, the attention more relentless, the secrets fewer.

It's time for Cutler to be a great quarterback, and all that goes along with it. Or Plummer will be remembered not for being out of line, but for being the first to publicly note that George and Cutler have more in common than being native Hoosiers.

01-29-2009, 10:52 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6056719	The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell. The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent. If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.
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ChiefRon Starter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Memphis, TN Casino cash: $10004900	This is like that movie "Groundhog Day" every day the exact same thing happens. No news, wild rumors, people arguing to trade down, draft chart makes no sense why can't we trade down cause I'm scared to draft a QB with #3, we need to stock up on mid and late round picks cause we have so many needs, blah-blah. JFC...
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02-03-2009, 11:21 AM	#690
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1104349	I caught this article in our local newspaper (The Salina Journal). I thought it was an iinteresting take on what you want and don't want in a franchise QB. What you do want sounds a whole lot like what Sanchez brings to the table... Jay needs extreme makeover By Terry Frei The Denver Post Posted: 02/03/2009 12:30:00 AM MST Updated: 02/03/2009 01:18:00 AM MST Not looking and acting the part of a leader - on and off the field - will only hurt Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler. Something Jake Plummer said to The Denver Post's Mike Klis last week jumped out at me. No, it wasn't what Plummer said about ousted Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. It was Plummer's assessment of his one-time teammate and quarterback successor, Jay Cutler. "He's a great quarterback, don't get me wrong," Plummer said. "I'm not saying anything to disrespect him. I think he's a hell of a player. But Jeff George was a hell of a player. There's a lot of guys who have been great players." It's a given: Great players and great talents are not necessarily great quarterbacks. One of the reasons I winced when reading Plummer's comments, however, was that in a previous professional stop, I wrote a magazine story in 1995 that tackled the issue of whether a certain much-maligned, widely despised, and unquestionably highly talented NFL quarterback had — at long last — grown up. While unrepentant and defiant about his earlier actions in college, and at Indianapolis, Jeff George — the top overall pick in the 1990 draft — persuaded me that he had matured, and he would become both a great quarterback and a leader in his second season with the Falcons. So did his head coach, June Jones, and his position coach, Mouse Davis. The two run-and-shoot gurus were convincing, both on and off the record. I didn't have enough tape for all of Davis' raves about George's awe-inspiring talent. What happened? George had a solid 1995 season for Atlanta, but in September 1996 he imploded on the sideline after being pulled in the third game of the season. He was suspended and never played for the Falcons again. I was left thinking that if he couldn't get along with the affable and respected Jones, who had staked his job and reputation on George, he couldn't get along with anybody. In 1997, he led the league in passing yards for a 4-12 Raiders team, but he never shook the image of an underachieving rockhead — and loser, in more ways than one Jeff George as he moved along from Oakland to Minnesota and Washington. Unlike George, Cutler never will be accused of having a million-dollar arm, a dime-store attitude and a scarecrow's brain. He's not that bad, but being compared to George, even if it was done by a deposed quarterback who carries an ax with him in the Idaho woods, should give Cutler — and those around him — pause for additional thought. How Cutler acts away from Dove Valley is his business, although one of the realities of his business is that tongues wag. Beyond that, and more important, he too often seems unconcerned about attempting to project the aura of class and leadership that the great quarterbacks have, both in the dressing and meeting rooms, and so many other places. They have "it." Their teammates spot it. Their coaches feel it. The fans know it. Cutler doesn't yet have "it" and, even worse, doesn't seem to much care. He deserves praise and perhaps occasional leeway for his battle with diabetes, and this is a guy who made it through four years at Vanderbilt, so he's not intellectually deficient. Yet that only goes so far. I'm not into dress codes or mandatory use of hair spray and a brush, but it's all part of a package, and if you look like, well, a slob while doing interviews at the Super Bowl while the next young quarterback on the set looks as if he just stepped off the pages of Esquire, that doesn't help. Eyes half-closed and an attitude of disinterest at the interview podium that makes it look as if you just awakened five minutes ago — even if you've been at Dove Valley for six hours — doesn't bolster the image, either. Does any of that matter? Absolutely. The quarterback's unmatched responsibility as a leader, and his need to inspire and envelop others in that winner's aura, makes the ancillary issues important too. And that includes being likable, both by his teammates and everyone he comes in contact with. Any quarterback's world is far different, also, in 2009 than it was in, say, 1985. The spotlight is brighter, the attention more relentless, the secrets fewer. It's time for Cutler to be a great quarterback, and all that goes along with it. Or Plummer will be remembered not for being out of line, but for being the first to publicly note that George and Cutler have more in common than being native Hoosiers.
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