Chiefs Gretz: Chiefs LBs suck - Page 5

**RealSNR** · 08-21-2008, 01:29 PM

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If there was one position where the Chiefs may be active on the waiver wire the day after the final NFL cutdown, it will be at linebacker. In his first two seasons with the Chiefs, Herm Edwards has kept seven linebackers. Right now it’s tough to find seven backers who have performed well enough in this pre-season to deserve a roster spot.

Count on Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams and Pat Thomas to be there as the Chiefs starters. Williams will not play over the rest of the pre-season because of a broken bone in his hand, but the Chiefs expect him to be ready to play in the season opener.

Also count in veteran Donnie Edwards who continues to rehab his hamstring pull and should be back on the practice field next week.

That’s four; it’s a struggle to find two or three more. Among the remaining LBs, rookie Wes Dacus has the best shot at making the final 53. He’s running fifth now, moving up to the starting group in Wednesday’s practice when Williams could not go with a finger injury. Dacus may get the start this Saturday against Miami.

Oliver Hoyte, LeRue Rumph and Steve Octavien have not been consistent enough in the pre-season to warrant a spot on the final roster. Rumph and/or Octavien could end up on the practice squad. E.J. Kuale has performed primarily in the kicking game.

And that leaves veteran Napoleon Harris. This will be an interesting call for the decision makers. Harris was a disappointment last year and he lost his starting job at middle linebacker early in training camp. Since then he’s been battling a knee injury. He would provide an experienced backup, but he would not be much help on special teams and the backup linebackers have to contribute in the kicking game. If he were not an unrestricted free agent signed last year, there’s no way he would make the team.

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If we were all about a youth movement, shouldn't we have gone out and got some young, talented, but inexperienced guys instead of signing turds leftover from the draft?

**The Bad Guy** · 08-21-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think Donnie is all but done.

He's old, and he can no longer stay on the field.
His one strength, speed. is neutralized by his hammy issues.

He was never as good otherwise as most Chiefs fans think he was.

I like your takes on here.

But I've never seen you once say a player is as good as everyone thinks he is.

TEX · 08-21-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Agreed.

However, our biggest problem was that we had problems everywhere, so there was no way in hell we were going to address them all.

OK, I take that back.

Our biggest problem was, and still is Carl, who, of course, is responsible for all these other problems.

You said it all! Gets my vote for post of the year...

milkman · 08-21-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I like your takes on here.

But I've never seen you once say a player is as good as everyone thinks he is.

I can see that.

I rarely comment on players that are getting deserved praise, I guess.

So, in an effort to be a little more positive, I believe that Willie Roaf and Will Shields, in spite of all the props they got, were still a little underrated.

**HemiEd** · 08-21-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So Donnie Edwards is now a backup?

Great signing.

Free agency has doomed this team as much as the draft.

Gotta give some kudos to Herm on this. Previously we would be playing him regardless.
See #99 Kendrell Bell for an example

milkman · 08-21-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Gotta give some kudos to Herm on this. Previously we would be playing him regardless.
See #99 Kendrell Bell for an example

I wonder if ****her is still waiting in his offce with Bell for someone to come and "tell it to their faces" that Bell sucked?

Chiefshrink · 08-21-2008, 09:36 PM

FWIW, yes we have had our share of FA busts, but I bet Denver has had more since Shanny's inception in 95. Shanny is such a sucker for the big name FA.

**HemiEd** · 08-21-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I wonder if **nther is still waiting in his offce with Bell for someone to come and "tell it to their faces" that Bell sucked?

A typical stoopid Gunther take, he makes Herm look smart. Why are we cursed with these dumbasses? I am starting to understand the people that say this team is getting stocked for the next HC. Chan Gailey?

Mecca · 08-21-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

Unless it's a pass rusher which makes DT an exception to my rule as far as that goes.

**Buehler445** · 08-21-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

FWIW, yes we have had our share of FA busts, but I bet Denver has had more since Shanny's inception in 95. Shanny is such a sucker for the big name FA.

He's not even the worst in the AFCW...Al Davis

**cdcox** · 08-21-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

However, our biggest problem was that we had problems everywhere, so there was no way in hell we were going to address them all.

Yep. Even if every draftee develops into a solid starter some point down the line we'd need at least another draft that delivered 5 or 6 starters to fill all the holes on this team. This whole season is about talent evaluation. It is going to be like another 16 weeks of preseason, except our fake starters will play longer and our real starters will get more injured and older.

Deberg_1990 · 08-21-2008, 09:45 PM

We dont even know if we have a reliable QB yet IMO.

**Buehler445** · 08-21-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

We dont even know if we have a realiable QB yet IMO.

I don't think that is a question. I'm as much of a Brodie supporter as anybody, but I don't think there is an arguement that he is reliable. Potentialy, yes. Definitely, no.

Deberg_1990 · 08-21-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I don't think that is a question. I'm as much of a Brodie supporter as anybody, but I don't think there is an arguement that he is reliable. Potentialy, yes. Definitely, no.

We dont know if he can stay healthy for a whole season

We dont know if he can win a game.

We dont know if he will ever develop.

Whats your defination of reliable??

Cormac · 08-21-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Yep. Even if every draftee develops into a solid starter some point down the line we'd need at least another draft that delivered 5 or 6 starters to fill all the holes on this team. This whole season is about talent evaluation. It is going to be like another 16 weeks of preseason, except our fake starters will play longer and our real starters will get more injured and older.

This gets my vote for post of the year

It doesn't really matter that our LBs appear to suck. So does our OL. So does our DL (young and full of potential doesn't mean jack yet). So do our QBs (until proven otherwise). Our CBs are totally untested (everybody but Surtain) or past-it (Surtain). The list goes on. People are already hoping that Pollard get demoted. Wasn't he "Bonecrusher" a year ago?

This team is bad, but is hopefully getting better. The LBs are only a small part of the big picture problem.

milkman · 08-21-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Unless it's a pass rusher which makes DT an exception to my rule as far as that goes.

So, in your opinion, the Bears made an error in draft judgement in selecting Brian Urlacher number 9 overall?

08-21-2008, 01:29 PM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1344792	Gretz: Chiefs LBs suck Check out his blob blog update for today: If there was one position where the Chiefs may be active on the waiver wire the day after the final NFL cutdown, it will be at linebacker. In his first two seasons with the Chiefs, Herm Edwards has kept seven linebackers. Right now it’s tough to find seven backers who have performed well enough in this pre-season to deserve a roster spot. Count on Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams and Pat Thomas to be there as the Chiefs starters. Williams will not play over the rest of the pre-season because of a broken bone in his hand, but the Chiefs expect him to be ready to play in the season opener. Also count in veteran Donnie Edwards who continues to rehab his hamstring pull and should be back on the practice field next week. That’s four; it’s a struggle to find two or three more. Among the remaining LBs, rookie Wes Dacus has the best shot at making the final 53. He’s running fifth now, moving up to the starting group in Wednesday’s practice when Williams could not go with a finger injury. Dacus may get the start this Saturday against Miami. Oliver Hoyte, LeRue Rumph and Steve Octavien have not been consistent enough in the pre-season to warrant a spot on the final roster. Rumph and/or Octavien could end up on the practice squad. E.J. Kuale has performed primarily in the kicking game. And that leaves veteran Napoleon Harris. This will be an interesting call for the decision makers. Harris was a disappointment last year and he lost his starting job at middle linebacker early in training camp. Since then he’s been battling a knee injury. He would provide an experienced backup, but he would not be much help on special teams and the backup linebackers have to contribute in the kicking game. If he were not an unrestricted free agent signed last year, there’s no way he would make the team. ========================================== If we were all about a youth movement, shouldn't we have gone out and got some young, talented, but inexperienced guys instead of signing turds leftover from the draft?
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $294454	We dont even know if we have a reliable QB yet IMO. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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