Chiefs This has gone beyond "rebuilding" - Page 5

**petegz28** · 10-05-2008, 08:18 PM

After Sunday's drubbing at the hands of the Panthers, the Chiefs are faced with some cold hard realities. They are going backwards. They have gone so far backwards that they have taken this team to the lowest in it's history.

It is more than obvious Herm has no ****ing clue of how to coach a football team and win. I seriously think that our practices are giant excuse making parties.

Not 1 part of this team has improved from the time Herm has arrived. Not 1. The defense showed promise last year only to take 3 steps back this year.

And Carl is not without blame in all of this. He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work. MLB was not addressed and our O line was improved by 1 player only.

Instead this team wasted time with the likes of BJ Samms ala Eddie Drummond, Devard Darling ala Gardner and still have yet to sign a kicker worth a shit since Stoyo.

It will suck when the blackouts hit. I can't remember a blackout since the Deberg days.

**petegz28** · 10-06-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary

Question: Comparing the most productive years under Marty S. vs. the Herm years, what are the biggest differences that you all see? Obviously a strong talent level difference at certain key positions. Doesn't it also seem that the players of that time played like they had more invested in their performances every week? Does it simply boil down to discipline?

One of the mantras I always heard the commentators jaw about Marty was, his uncanny ability to pull a guy off the street and make him a good football player.

Herm obviously lacks that ability. In fact I think Herm is quite the opposite so far.

Fish · 10-06-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

No I also thought they would be bad and would only win a couple if any. I guess I just didn't see them as (worst offensive performance in 22 years) bad.

The tricky thing is, look at the difference in the team between the Denver game and the Carolina game. It's baffling how completely opposite the play in those 2 games were right? How in **** can that be possible huh? We shut down one of the best offenses in the league, and established our run game early and dominated the entire game. But yesterday we couldn't dominate the opposing cheerleaders if we tried. We do have the ability though. We showed glimpses of that against Denver and against New England. We're not quite as horrible as we look, but we will damn sure look that horrible on many occasions.

Rebuilding is like this. Young teams will go from retarted to respectable in a week. And back again. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if we came back in 2 weeks and put a hurting on the Titans. Very likely not, but it wouldn't surprise me. Teams in this position are completely unpredictable. They will break your heart bad if you're not prepared for it. Add in the fact that the coaches are inept and totally failing at random, and we have a swirling cauldron of shit to root for. And it will be this way until major changes are made. Just enjoy it for what it is.

**alpha_omega** · 10-06-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

We're too inconsistent and our coaching sucks.

That about sums it up...consistently inconsistent!

Brock · 10-06-2008, 08:28 AM

If you got "suckered", you have only yourself to blame. I don't know why anyone is surprised about this. We went into the season with an injury prone QB, who, (surprise!), got injured week 1. We had only an older, weaker, and less talented Elvis Grbac backing him up. We had a young, inexperienced defensive line, and rookies in the seconday, and no true MLB. You shoulda done the math.

KCKY-Fan4life · 10-06-2008, 08:28 AM

I was at the game yesterday. Boy wsa it pitiful. It really sucks when you go so big so early and can't get your running game into the mix. How the hell did they run so well against us, they were missing 2 of their starting O-Lineman. I WANT CHANGE. CARL AND HERM NEED TO GO!!! LET'S BRING IN BILL COWER.

Reerun_KC · 10-06-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KCKY-Fan4life

I was at the game yesterday. Boy wsa it pitiful. It really sucks when you go so big so early and can't get your running game into the mix. How the hell did they run so well against us, they were missing 2 of their starting O-Lineman. I WANT CHANGE. CARL AND HERM NEED TO GO!!! LET'S BRING IN BILL COWER.

Its Cowher and No, No we dont need to keep reliving the 90's....

time for fans everywhere to let go of Carl and Mediocrity... Hiring Cowher is Carl and Mediocrity...

Jesus people why would you want to keep getting kicked in the nuts over and over and over? Do you actually enjoy that?

xbarretx · 10-06-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

!!!!!!

xbarretx · 10-06-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SBK

Why get mad? I enjoyed lunch with my wife, and even though KC was on tv locally here in Atlanta I wasn't worried. I got home in time to watch the 3rd quarter, and after Thigpen's first series I went and took a nap. It was a great afternoon, completely stress free.

And Mecca is right, until we get a QB to build around we ain't building anything.

its kinda like the end of "Cableguy" when he falls on the antenna and cable goes out then people pick up a book and spend family time. consider the arrival of Herm and the non arrival of CP to be much the same thing. the competitive nature of your team goes out and you then realize that the sun WILL rise tomorrow...and since its so nice outside you go and take a nice walk with the kids.

xbarretx · 10-06-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater

Hey now, Huard threw it deep once yesterday. Granted, there was no reciever within 30 yards of the pass, but he threw it deep.

and did you see the medic's near Herm on the sideline? seriously he couldnt breathe the pain from chucking it deep was almost too much to handle.

ChiefsCountry · 10-06-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

If you got "suckered", you have only yourself to blame. I don't know why anyone is surprised about this. We went into the season with an injury prone QB, who, (surprise!), got injured week 1. We had only an older, weaker, and less talented Elvis Grbac backing him up. We had a young, inexperienced defensive line, and rookies in the seconday, and no true MLB. You shoulda done the math.

Pretty much its puzzling what people think. A bunch of young guys are going to look like a Super Bowl team one week and next look like horse crap.

Chief Pote · 10-06-2008, 09:41 AM

Thank God for fantasy football, otherwise football would be much more disappointing.

FringeNC · 10-06-2008, 09:52 AM

There is no such thing in the NFL as "rebuilding". You draft well, and you coach well, and you will be good. You do one well, and the other poorly and you will be mediocre. You do both poorly and you will be the Chiefs and Lions.

boogblaster · 10-06-2008, 10:05 AM

We knew the O would be painful to watch this year .. but what the **** happened to the D ...

**morphius** · 10-06-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xbarretx

!!!!!!

It is a pity how often that song pops in my head.

**morphius** · 10-06-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

The tricky thing is, look at the difference in the team between the Denver game and the Carolina game. It's baffling how completely opposite the play in those 2 games were right? How in **** can that be possible huh? We shut down one of the best offenses in the league, and established our run game early and dominated the entire game. But yesterday we couldn't dominate the opposing cheerleaders if we tried. We do have the ability though. We showed glimpses of that against Denver and against New England. We're not quite as horrible as we look, but we will damn sure look that horrible on many occasions.

Rebuilding is like this. Young teams will go from retarted to respectable in a week. And back again. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if we came back in 2 weeks and put a hurting on the Titans. Very likely not, but it wouldn't surprise me. Teams in this position are completely unpredictable. They will break your heart bad if you're not prepared for it. Add in the fact that the coaches are inept and totally failing at random, and we have a swirling cauldron of shit to root for. And it will be this way until major changes are made. Just enjoy it for what it is.

Actually, it isn't baffling at all. If the D we are playing is horrible and can't stop the run it opens up our offense. If we can't run, we can't even get first downs and our D isn't strong enough to hold any team back for long, and can't get any real consistent pass rush going. The not being able to move the ball also makes it easier on the other teams O, because as long as they shut down the run, they don't have anything else to really fear.

10-05-2008, 08:18 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-895873	This has gone beyond "rebuilding" After Sunday's drubbing at the hands of the Panthers, the Chiefs are faced with some cold hard realities. They are going backwards. They have gone so far backwards that they have taken this team to the lowest in it's history. It is more than obvious Herm has no ****ing clue of how to coach a football team and win. I seriously think that our practices are giant excuse making parties. Not 1 part of this team has improved from the time Herm has arrived. Not 1. The defense showed promise last year only to take 3 steps back this year. And Carl is not without blame in all of this. He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work. MLB was not addressed and our O line was improved by 1 player only. Instead this team wasted time with the likes of BJ Samms ala Eddie Drummond, Devard Darling ala Gardner and still have yet to sign a kicker worth a shit since Stoyo. It will suck when the blackouts hit. I can't remember a blackout since the Deberg days.
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10-06-2008, 08:28 AM	#64
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	If you got "suckered", you have only yourself to blame. I don't know why anyone is surprised about this. We went into the season with an injury prone QB, who, (surprise!), got injured week 1. We had only an older, weaker, and less talented Elvis Grbac backing him up. We had a young, inexperienced defensive line, and rookies in the seconday, and no true MLB. You shoulda done the math.
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10-06-2008, 09:52 AM	#72
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1603986	There is no such thing in the NFL as "rebuilding". You draft well, and you coach well, and you will be good. You do one well, and the other poorly and you will be mediocre. You do both poorly and you will be the Chiefs and Lions.
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