Football In the last 20 years... - Page 5

Mile High Mania · 11:31 AM

Looking at things from 1991 through 2010... I heard Mike & Mike talking about this today. Comparing QBs drafted #1 and how they're really about 50/50 on whether or not they have proven to be worth the selection over the last 20 seasons.

Then, comparing that list to the list of starting QBs on SB winning teams in the same 20 year period.

I think there have been something like 11 QBs selected #1 overall in this timeframe... and 5 of them have been on SB winning teams. Guys like Stafford and Bradford are early in their careers.

14 different QBs have won a SuperBowl.

Rypien (round 6)
Aikman (3X, round 1P1)
Young (round 1P1)
Favre (round 2)
Elway (2X, round 1P1)
Warner (UDFA)
Dilfer (round 1P6)
Brady (3, round 6)
B Johnson (round 9)
Roethlisberger (2X, round 1P11)
P Manning (round 1P1)
E Manning (round 1P1)
Brees (round 2)
Rodgers (round 1P24)

Just found it interesting and thought I would throw it out there...

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Hey......wait a god damn minute.

Just yanking your chain...

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

Croyle no
but Thiggy had far better upside than the POS Cassel.

Thigpen was a more mobile version of Cassel.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i didnt say that,
if we had a chance to get a qb thats considered a cant miss player like Luck then yes.

Nothing is guranteed buddy...

Luck has the opportunity to be a superbowl QB but he isnt guranteed a damn thing...

BoneKrusher · 12-21-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I agree with this also. That being said, we're due to draft a QB with our first round pick.

like i said before we need a QB and drafting one is essential but there has to be more thought going into it than what Pioli did when he traded a second round pick for Cassel.

BoneKrusher · 12-21-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Nothing is guranteed buddy...

Luck has the opportunity to be a superbowl QB but he isnt guranteed a damn thing...

i bet he has a super bowl win by his third season.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

like i said before we need a QB and drafting one is essential but there has to be more thought going into it than what Pioli did when he traded a second round pick for Cassel.

Agree..

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i bet he has a super bowl win by his third season.

Alright, What you wanna bet?

BoneKrusher · 12-21-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Thigpen was a more mobile version of Cassel.

but he was already on the roster and he didn't cost us a second round pick.

Mile High Mania · 12-21-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

How can you have 22 #1 picks overall in 20 years...I must be missing something...

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

This jumped out at me too. Makes no sense.

My bad... I was thinking something else and typed that comment poorly. I fixed it - there have been 11 QBs taken #1 overall.

BoneKrusher · 12-21-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Alright, What you wanna bet?

maybe a sig bet of some sort?

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Alright, What you wanna bet?

I would clarify that Luck has to be the starting QB.

Mile High Mania · 12-21-2011, 11:36 AM

They also talked about how Indy may have really screwed up by winning last week, especially if they find another win and match the Rams with 2 wins.

There's a scenario that puts the Rams at the #1 overall pick and with Bradford... they could command a HUGE bounty, someone was talking about 3 R1 picks and a couple of R2 picks... or even 4 R1 picks. It's crazy talk, especially with the 50/50 success rate by going QB #1 overall.

I think Luck can be the next great QBotF... but is anyone really wild about their team trading that large of a bounty in order to get him?

BoneKrusher · 12-21-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would clarify that Luck has to be the starting QB.

thanks a lot man.

Chiefnj2 · 12-21-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

R1 picks. It's crazy talk, especially with the 50/50 success rate by going QB #1 overall.

I think Luck can be the next great QBotF... but is anyone really wild about their team trading that large of a bounty in order to get him?

Looking at 3 consecutive draft picks:

Would I trade Baldwin, Berry and Jackson for Luck? Yeah.
Would I trade Berry, Jackson, Dorsey? Yes.
Would I trade Jackson, Dorsey and Bowe? Yes.
Dorsey, Bowe, Hali? tougher, but maybe.
Bowe, Hali and DJ? No.

**1ChiefsDan** · 12-21-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

So did the Titans, missed with Young and drafted Locker after dumping Young.

And with the current rookie pay scale taking a QB in first round is less of a cap burden than in the past.

Also, you can go down every position on an NFL team and find a high number of early first round busts. So should that preclude an NFL team from ever taking a player at that position early in the draft again?

Especially this.

12-21-2011, 10:23 AM
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $1067229	In the last 20 years... Looking at things from 1991 through 2010... I heard Mike & Mike talking about this today. Comparing QBs drafted #1 and how they're really about 50/50 on whether or not they have proven to be worth the selection over the last 20 seasons. Then, comparing that list to the list of starting QBs on SB winning teams in the same 20 year period. I think there have been something like 11 QBs selected #1 overall in this timeframe... and 5 of them have been on SB winning teams. Guys like Stafford and Bradford are early in their careers. 14 different QBs have won a SuperBowl. Rypien (round 6) Aikman (3X, round 1P1) Young (round 1P1) Favre (round 2) Elway (2X, round 1P1) Warner (UDFA) Dilfer (round 1P6) Brady (3, round 6) B Johnson (round 9) Roethlisberger (2X, round 1P11) P Manning (round 1P1) E Manning (round 1P1) Brees (round 2) Rodgers (round 1P24) Just found it interesting and thought I would throw it out there... Last edited by Mile High Mania; 12-21-2011 at 11:31 AM..
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