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Old 11-15-2004, 09:54 AM  
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"Why we need a new coach in '05"
I really think DV has gotten to the point where he can't be objective enough when it comes to evaluating these players and asst. coaches in order to make the necessary changes for '05.

Since the Vermiel era started, the Chiefs have rarely been the highest bidder when shopping for free agents. Instead, Vermiel has relied on his "family atmosphere" approach to appeal to the potential signees. But this offseason, if he's still here, he'll be a lame duck coach that UFA's know will not be back in '06. This will be a major obstacle in trying to woo free agents.

For fans, and the organization as a whole, the lame duck season spells danger because anyone that we sign to big bucks may not fit in with the new coach coming in '06. So we might end up wasting cap money on guys who don't fit the new ('06) scheme.

Finally, I think it's necessary for a new coach for '05 to come in from the outside to purge our roster of the guys who have sucked for 3-4 years now. We cannot be stuck with guys like Woods, Wesley, Warfield, Bartee, McCleon, Battle, Holliday, Hicks, Sims, etc. just because they're nice guys, or because they were high draft picks by the current staff, or because they were prize free agent signings by the current staff. We need someone who will study tape and objectively analyze our roster, and make the necessary changes, even if it means putting us in a bad cap situation for a year.
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Old 11-15-2004, 05:41 PM   #76
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it may be paid all up front, BUT for salary cap purposes it's extended over the life of the contract.
Good! Something registered. I'm glad you understand that now.... that statement is in direct opposition to this statement you just a couple posts ago...

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I don't believe ALL of the signing bonus is due up front. I believe as long as they are on the team, a portion of the bonus is paid for every year they are signed for.
Which is why I made the post I did. But now that (I think) we have that cleared up. The point was Carl did exactly what you want him to do, sign big name free agents, it didn't work, so we had to cut them, so we had no cap space, which is why we were "frugal" in the 2001 offseason. The sad part is that all this garbage in no way shape or form makes me a Carl apologist, I'm not pleased with him, but I can't stop myself from trying to correct people when I see them slinging incorrect facts around....
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Old 11-15-2004, 05:44 PM   #77
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Bullshit. He got Joe Montana, Marcus Allen, and even traded for Chester McGlockton when he was the consensus best DT in the game.
Over the hill. Couldn't run more than 3 yards. Consesus pick of footballchicks.com.

You're a dipshit.
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Old 11-15-2004, 05:49 PM   #78
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Good! Something registered. I'm glad you understand that now.... that statement is in direct opposition to this statement you just a couple posts ago...



Which is why I made the post I did. But now that (I think) we have that cleared up. The point was Carl did exactly what you want him to do, sign big name free agents, it didn't work, so we had to cut them, so we had no cap space, which is why we were "frugal" in the 2001 offseason. The sad part is that all this garbage in no way shape or form makes me a Carl apologist, I'm not pleased with him, but I can't stop myself from trying to correct people when I see them slinging incorrect facts around....
That's all from the SAME post, so I've always gotten it. I think we just need to agree to disagree. You're a fellow Chief fan and I don't want to get into a pissing match you. The bottomline is I feel that Carl isn't a great GM when it comes to personel. That's how I feel and believe I indicated that in my posts. I respect your opinion, but disagree in this case and will continue to question Car's ineptness, until he can prove otherwise, so we might be better served to just agree to disagree.
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:27 AM   #79
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I call BULLSHIT on your take.
FACT: Marcus Allen was long in the tooth and not a PREMEIR FA.
FACT: Joe Montana was well beyond his hey day and TRADED for.
FACT: McGlockton WASN'T a FA. We traded for him.

Maybe you should actually read what was said " THE premeir FA"
The premier FA in 1997 was DERRICK THOMAS. And we signed him.

As for Marcus Allen, we're heard RIGHT HERE that we didn't need Greg Hill because we had Marcus Allen. So which is it?

And now you're quibbling over technicalities like unrestricted free agents versus restricted free agents because you know you're wrong.

Carl HAS brought in big name guys, over and over again, and it's FAILED.
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:29 AM   #80
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That's all from the SAME post, so I've always gotten it. I think we just need to agree to disagree. You're a fellow Chief fan and I don't want to get into a pissing match you. The bottomline is I feel that Carl isn't a great GM when it comes to personel. That's how I feel and believe I indicated that in my posts. I respect your opinion, but disagree in this case and will continue to question Car's ineptness, until he can prove otherwise, so we might be better served to just agree to disagree.
You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

You're saying on the one hand that Carl stands pat and does nothing. At the same time, you're saying that Carl is a poor evaluator of talent and that the guys he brings in are bums.

So WHICH IS IT?

I'll give you the latter argument -- Carl can't evaluate talent worth a shit. But to say, just because they didn't sign anyone this offseason, that he NEVER signed any big names is absolutely false.
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:30 AM   #81
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FACT: McGlockton WASN'T a FA. We traded for him.
Actually, he was a FA. But we were required to give compensation to the Faiders...
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:40 AM   #82
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Yes, Glock was an RFA of the Transition/Franchise variety. Oakland did not match the offer sheet and KC had to give a 1st and 3rd.
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:53 AM   #83
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I think there come a time in every modern day NFL coaches tenure where his message is just not getting across anymore and the squad just is not buying into his rah rah rah speeches.

I think DV may be at this point. It happened with Marty as well. When this happens the team becomes very undiciplined. See Marty's exit for a reference.

How Bill Cowher has managed in Pittsburgh for so long is beyond me.

I thought of this a couple of weeks ago when they showed him doing his pregame routine, trying to pump up the team. I could tell the players weren't really into it, since it's the same thing every week.
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:54 AM   #84
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Yes, Glock was an RFA of the Transition/Franchise variety. Oakland did not match the offer sheet and KC had to give a 1st and 3rd.
No the Raiders only got a pick sandwiched between the first and 2nd round.
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I honestly dont remember, but I do know the raiders got a high pick for not matching the offer sheet.
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:02 PM   #86
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How Bill Cowher has managed in Pittsburgh for so long is beyond me.
I'm getting this premonition of the AFC Semi-Finals pitting Dungy against Schottenheimer and Cowher against Edwards.

Just the kind of kharma a Chiefs fan deserves.
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:26 PM   #87
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I'm getting this premonition of the AFC Semi-Finals pitting Dungy against Schottenheimer and Cowher against Edwards.

Just the kind of kharma a Chiefs fan deserves.
Why do you feel a Chiefs fan deserves that?
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:32 PM   #88
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Why do you feel a Chiefs fan deserves that?
I was being sardonic. Kind of a "well that'd just be the icing on a shitty cake" sentiment.
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:49 PM   #89
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Personally, I'm getting tired of the hugs in the locker room like is mentioned in Teicher's column today after loses.

The team lost. Why the F are you hugging?
Are team is ghey, it is as simple as that.

Until the cut back on the estrogen, and start drafting and coaching testosterone, they are fooked.
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I'm getting this premonition of the AFC Semi-Finals pitting Dungy against Schottenheimer and Cowher against Edwards.

Just the kind of kharma a Chiefs fan deserves.
Somebody slap this bastard...
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