Chiefs You scared? - Page 7

O.city · 12-10-2012, 04:51 PM

FFS, Clark did exactly what we/everyone with SB (yeah I said it) aspirations wanted him to do.

He could have stayed the status quo, kept churning out 7-9 win seasons with an occasional 10 win season thrown in there and kept printing money like it was nothing.

But no, he changed the whole damn environment at Arrowhead. Swept the mediocrity out the door and tried a different route.

Now, obviously we know now that this route wasn't the right one, which likely will be changed AGAIN in a month.

So Clark will have changed 2 in 6 years or so. Thats right change again. It's broke, he's gonna fix it, or atleast try.

Why are some so afraid of change?

Hootie · 12-10-2012, 04:51 PM

fantasy football and sports bets have kept me interested

but I miss having passion for Chiefs football

never thought that could be sucked out of me like the Pioli/Cassel Chiefs did

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

fantasy football and sports bets have kept me interested

but I miss having passion for Chiefs football

never thought that could be sucked out of me like the Pioli/Cassel Chiefs did

The worst part of modern sports.

Hootie · 12-10-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

The worst part of modern sports.

says you and no one else

NJChiefsFan · 12-10-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

fantasy football and sports bets have kept me interested

but I miss having passion for Chiefs football

never thought that could be sucked out of me like the Pioli/Cassel Chiefs did

Did you make that bet against KC vs CAR that we told you not to make?

As for the question, I am trying to look at the optimistic side of this. Recent teams have shown what a reset at the GM/HC/QB positions can do. Maybe it happens here, maybe it doesn't. If I believed it would take 8 years I certainly wouldn't be so passionate about this next set of moves by the organization.

ROYC75 · 12-10-2012, 04:52 PM

Guys, it starts and ends with Pioli.

Hire the HC, let him choose his staff & let him assemble the rest of the coaches, scouts, etc. and get out and just run the front office. Let the coaches coach leaving them responsible of their own outcome. Coaches that has control of their own knows the buck starts and stops with them, it's their watch, they will perform better and keep the assistants accountable.

Years ago, Lamar hired Hank and told him to have at it. Hank was never interfered with in his early years,but once he didn't draft well and he relied on older players, he got the axe.

Carl let Marty run his own staff, Marty did well for years, the team went old on talent, many with a shady past, losing came and Marty left. Carl let DV run his own ship,DV burned out first and gave up. I wanted to see DV sat one more year but it didn't happen. Sure we never tasted the glory of a SB with either, but it was much better than this crap. Herm was a good talent evaluator and a good coach,but HC was a reach when he didn't assemble a great staff around him. Gunther was a reach for all practical purposes. But Carl still didn't tell them who to hire and moved away from them when they failed. Pioli can not do this, he had to have control of Haley, had to be able to control Romeo, crap Romeo rolled the dice one last time and we all know he is in over his head.

Get better management and a good QBotF with a very good QB coach, coaches & coordinators and we can build it back pretty quick. But it starts at the top!

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

Guys, it starts and ends with Pioli.

Hire the HC, let him choose his staff & let him assemble the rest of the coaches, scouts, etc. and get out and just run the front office. Let the coaches coach leaving them responsible of their own outcome. Coaches that has control of their own knows the buck starts and stops with them, it's their watch, they will perform better and keep the assistants accountable.

Years ago, Lamar hired Hank and told him to have at it. Hank was never interfered with in his early years,but once he didn't draft well and he relied on older players, he got the axe.

Carl let Marty run his own staff, Marty did well for years, the team went old on talent, many with a shady past, losing came and Marty left. Carl let DV run his own ship,DV burned out first and gave up. I wanted to see DV sat one more year but it didn't happen. Sure we never tasted the glory of a SB with either, but it was much better than this crap. Herm was a good talent evaluator and a good coach,but HC was a reach when he didn't assemble a great staff around him. Gunther was a reach for all practical purposes. But Carl still didn't tell them who to hire and moved away from them when they failed. Pioli can not do this, he had to have control of Haley, had to be able to control Romeo, crap Romeo rolled the dice one last time and we all know he is in over his head.

Get better management and a good QBotF with a very good QB coach, coaches & coordinators and we can build it back pretty quick. But it starts at the top!

Your first and last sentences don't mesh.

ROYC75 · 12-10-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Your first and last sentences don't mesh.

Why not? I guess I didn't make it clear it starts and ends with Pioli, at the top of management , as in GM. Pioli is accountable for what he hired. He has to live with it or face the public outcry for it. Pioli wanted to be in control and hired a puppet man to run the team.
If he truly thinks Romeo is the answer, he has to convince Clark to stay the course and see it through. If not he has to tell Clark he will make changes and convince the fans & Clark that he can get it done.

IMHO, I don't think Clark will hear it. Clark wants results and ticket sales.

O.city · 12-10-2012, 04:52 PM

Hell, i'm embarrassed that it took us this long to raise up and do something like this.

But I guess in the 90's and early 2000's we were just good enough to keep fans vested right?

bricks · 12-10-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Any of you guys worried this year marks the beginning of another seriously dry spell for Chiefs football? I can easily see them blowing for another decade based on this horrific tenure by Pioli. Am I just paranoid or is this a legitimate fear? I don't want to become a casual fan who watches 3 games a year.

Anybody have any reason for optimism in 2013 and 2014? I know high first round draft picks are reason for optimism but the bust rate for quarterbacks is higher than defensive linemen and we all know how we've fared selecting early defensive linemen.

No. You have legitimate reason to be fearful. With an incompetent ownership the possibly of the Chiefs undergoing another dry spell is pretty good.

It's amazing how some people think that drafting a quarterback is suddenly going to be the answer to resolving the Chiefs problems. It's way more than just a quarterback. The Chiefs have a systemic problem and it begins and ends with ownership. I attribute that statement to Hamas' Jenkins who mentioned that very same thing a while back and I couldn't agree with him more because he ****ing nailed it. Nothing could be further from that truth.

Yes, there is reason to be optimistic with high draft picks in the future, but this optimism does not outweigh nor overpower the consequences that Chiefs ownership brings to the table. I think every Chiefs fan should keep that notion in mind.

O.city · 12-10-2012, 04:54 PM

Incompetent ownership?

You guys have completely lost it.

What exactly would you all have Clark do or would you have had him done since he's been owner?

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Incompetent ownership?

You guys have completely lost it.

What exactly would you all have Clark do or would you have had him done since he's been owner?

Why would someone have a reason to criticize the ownership of the Kansas City Chiefs?

I can't think of a single reason.

O.city · 12-10-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Why would someone have a reason to criticize the ownership of the Kansas City Chiefs?

I can't think of a single reason.

Answer my question?

What should he have done?

You want him to be like Jerry Jones? Thats not Clark, thats not the way he's going to operate.

Could he be more involved? Yeah probably.

But he's not an owner that's going to run the show. Thats just not him.

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Answer my question?

What should he have done?

You want him to be like Jerry Jones? Thats not Clark, thats not the way he's going to operate.

Could he be more involved? Yeah probably.

But he's not an owner that's going to run the show. Thats just not him.

Winning "isn't him" ether is it.

O.city · 12-10-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Winning "isn't him" ether is it.

Just answer the ****ing question and quit dancing around it with stupid bullshit quips.

What should he have done different?

Not hired the most sought after GM in the league at the time? Not hired one of the best business directors to run the business side?

What?

I think you should stick to Soccer and what ever else you do.

12-10-2012, 04:51 PM	#1
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2414064	FFS, Clark did exactly what we/everyone with SB (yeah I said it) aspirations wanted him to do. He could have stayed the status quo, kept churning out 7-9 win seasons with an occasional 10 win season thrown in there and kept printing money like it was nothing. But no, he changed the whole damn environment at Arrowhead. Swept the mediocrity out the door and tried a different route. Now, obviously we know now that this route wasn't the right one, which likely will be changed AGAIN in a month. So Clark will have changed 2 in 6 years or so. Thats right change again. It's broke, he's gonna fix it, or atleast try. Why are some so afraid of change?
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	fantasy football and sports bets have kept me interested but I miss having passion for Chiefs football never thought that could be sucked out of me like the Pioli/Cassel Chiefs did
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12-10-2012, 04:52 PM	#6
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5309400	Guys, it starts and ends with Pioli. Hire the HC, let him choose his staff & let him assemble the rest of the coaches, scouts, etc. and get out and just run the front office. Let the coaches coach leaving them responsible of their own outcome. Coaches that has control of their own knows the buck starts and stops with them, it's their watch, they will perform better and keep the assistants accountable. Years ago, Lamar hired Hank and told him to have at it. Hank was never interfered with in his early years,but once he didn't draft well and he relied on older players, he got the axe. Carl let Marty run his own staff, Marty did well for years, the team went old on talent, many with a shady past, losing came and Marty left. Carl let DV run his own ship,DV burned out first and gave up. I wanted to see DV sat one more year but it didn't happen. Sure we never tasted the glory of a SB with either, but it was much better than this crap. Herm was a good talent evaluator and a good coach,but HC was a reach when he didn't assemble a great staff around him. Gunther was a reach for all practical purposes. But Carl still didn't tell them who to hire and moved away from them when they failed. Pioli can not do this, he had to have control of Haley, had to be able to control Romeo, crap Romeo rolled the dice one last time and we all know he is in over his head. Get better management and a good QBotF with a very good QB coach, coaches & coordinators and we can build it back pretty quick. But it starts at the top! __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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12-10-2012, 04:52 PM	#9
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2414064	Hell, i'm embarrassed that it took us this long to raise up and do something like this. But I guess in the 90's and early 2000's we were just good enough to keep fans vested right?
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12-10-2012, 04:54 PM	#11
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2414064	Incompetent ownership? You guys have completely lost it. What exactly would you all have Clark do or would you have had him done since he's been owner?
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