Stop blaming the play calling.

[acesn8s]

Croyle failed today because he sucks ass. Everything was called as normal except an end around. And its not like that play is called every game anyways. Croyle was in the shotgun, under center, play action, threw deep, threw short, screens, and bootlegs. The play calling was not the problem of our offense; decision making was the problem. Croyle checks down too much and tries to throw a bullet on short pass plays. His accuracy is horrible. And he is indecisive when pressured.

Here is a breakdown of his performance.

After 4 straight runs gaining 13 yards and a 1st down, Croyle throws on 3rd and 10 to Copper for a WR screen losing 1 yard. Chiefs punt.

After a 1 yard loss by Jones, Croyle checks down to Charles for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 11 while a wide open McCluster breaks to the sideline with room to run. On 3rd and 7 Croyle over throws Copper. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle is sacked for a 12 yard loss after a horrible attempt of a play action fake. After a run by Charles, Croyle checks down with a quick throw to Moeaki for 8 yards on 3rd and 18. Chiefs punt.

After Charles gains a 1st down and 16 yards, Croyle passes on a bootleg on 2nd and 4 to Moeaki for 5 yards. After a 2 yard run by Charles, Croyle throws a deep incomplete pass out of bounds toward Bowe. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 8 Croyle checks down to Bowe on an underneath route for 3 yards. Chiefs Punt.

From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle throws an incomplete pass toward Bow that was high and away from Bowe. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 10, Croyle throws over the middle to Copper for a 16 yard gain. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle steps up in the pocket and checks down to Charles for 5 yards. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 5, Croyle throws a high pass toward Bowe deep that falls incomplete. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 5, Croyle holds the ball for 4 seconds before running back toward 2 of the 3 pass rushers and is sacked for a 11 yard loss. Halftime.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 3 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7. He never takes his eyes off Bowe and throws a bullet that a diving Bowe cannot handle. Chiefs punt.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 4 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 16. Croyle play fakes to an invisible RB, bootlegs and throws to a covered Bowe on the sideline. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle looks right, cocks to throw but never does and is sacked for a 6 yard loss. On 2nd and 16, Croyle under throws Bowe deep and the ball is deflected by the defender for an incomplete pass. On 3rd and 16 from the shotgun position, Croyle throws a screen pass toward Charles into the hands of a defensive lineman for an incomplete pass. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 18 yard pass is well defended and falls incomplete. Tucker never gets his hands on the ball. On 2nd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 13 yard pass is knocked down by the defender and falls incomplete. Tucker never touches the ball. On 3rd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle steps up in the pocket, pump fakes and is sacked; never releasing the ball even though McCluster is apparently open near the first down marker. Chiefs punt.

Palko enters the game and goes 2 of 3 for 8 yards. Croyle's day is done going 7 of 17 for 40 yards.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

There are a lot of factors at work here. Croyle was rusty, nervous and overthrowing. That being said the O lines performance today was and obamination. You don't need to look any further than our offensive yardage total to see that. Lastly as much as you don't want it being said the play calling was predictable as hell. They were loading the box to stop the run and you would think they would call some play action to get Brodie going but Nooooooooooo, we get the predictable runs until we must pass scenario over and over. It's was a problem.

I should have read one more post, we saw the same thing, exactly.

[Chief3188]

This was a performance reminiscent of Cassel after he had 2 seasons worth of starts in and a couple of years on Croyle in age but yet Cassel gets a pass but Croyle only gets 1 shot with this team in fans eyes with the Oline crumbling around him the way it looked last season, WR's dropping catchable balls and ultra conservative playing not to win playcalling?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

This was a performance reminiscent of Cassel after he had 2 seasons worth of starts in and a couple of years on Croyle in age but yet Cassel gets a pass but Croyle only gets 1 shot with this team in fans eyes with the Oline crumbling around him the way it looked last season, WR's dropping catchable balls and ultra conservative playing not to win playcalling?

Yeah, Cassel gets a pass. That's what happens on the Planet. Everyone loves Cassel and gives him free passes all the time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

The play calling did suck ass, and did not give the Chiefs a chance to win.

On the first series, I said in the game thread, they had the handcuffs on Brodie. Just like they did Cassel last year.

It put them behind, then the San Diego defense was able predict the Chiefs offense.

San Diego knew what they had to defend, there was no surprise and they crushed the plays, they didn't just stop them, they crushed them.

Brodie was clearly rusty, nervous, and sucked ass, as did the rest of the team.

That's simply untrue. True, weis didn't use gimmicks. And I despised the playcalling on the first series. But the idea that croyle was handcuffed is beyond ridiculous. In the first half, 4 of the 5 drives were stalled because we gave croyle the opportunity to throw downfield and he failed. The pass protection was okay in the first half but definitely workable. And aside from the copper screen pass, our short passes were brodie dumping the ball off as he has done his whole career. Its not like the checkdown was the play design.

Croyle played better in the 2nd half but by then, our offense gave up. That's when the protection really broke down. inexcusable, but first half failures were not on the o-line or the playcalling. Brodie just did not execute on makeable plays. Yes, I think it was rust, but let's call a spade a spade.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's simply untrue. True, weis didn't use gimmicks. And I despised the playcalling on the first series. But the idea that croyle was handcuffed is beyond ridiculous. In the first half, 4 of the 5 drives were stalled because we gave croyle the opportunity to throw downfield and he failed. The pass protection was okay in the first half but definitely workable. And aside from the copper screen pass, our short passes were brodie dumping the ball off as he has done his whole career. Its not like the checkdown was the play design.

Croyle played better in the 2nd half but by then, our offense gave up. That's when the protection really broke down. inexcusable, but first half failures were not on the o-line or the playcalling. Brodie just did not execute on makeable plays. Yes, I think it was rust, but let's call a spade a spade.

17 passes in 31-0 loss... GTFO! Your idiocy is contagious.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by jd1020

17 passes in 31-0 loss... GTFO! Your idiocy is contagious.

When you don't convert, that's what happens; fewer pass attempts.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's simply untrue. True, weis didn't use gimmicks. And I despised the playcalling on the first series. But the idea that croyle was handcuffed is beyond ridiculous. In the first half, 4 of the 5 drives were stalled because we gave croyle the opportunity to throw downfield and he failed. The pass protection was okay in the first half but definitely workable. And aside from the copper screen pass, our short passes were brodie dumping the ball off as he has done his whole career. Its not like the checkdown was the play design.

Croyle played better in the 2nd half but by then, our offense gave up. That's when the protection really broke down. inexcusable, but first half failures were not on the o-line or the playcalling. Brodie just did not execute on makeable plays. Yes, I think it was rust, but let's call a spade a spade.

I am not sure you even watched the game. You missed the tight end drop, as you admitted earlier in this thread.

The first series was key, very key. The Chiefs won the toss, they needed to do something, but no, do exactly what the Chargers expected. The Chargers jumped all over it, stuffed the conservative calls, and came right down and scored, now you are behind.

Why not do something like the Eagles did last night to start the game? Did you see that? The Eagles were playing on the road, in front of hostile crowd, similar to the Chiefs.

[Chief Henry]

The way we sucked in Sundays game, we should be very thankful the suckage didn't rub off on to the plane and the pilots !!! I didn't expect us to win, but I didn't think we would suck in conceivable way. If Carl was still in the Captains Chair I would use this

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

When you don't convert, that's what happens; fewer pass attempts.

How many of the plays called for Croyle would have even gave Tom Brady a chance to convert? Croyle was completely handcuffed and it's because Haley and Weis dont have as much faith in Croyle as they would lead you to believe.

[ToxSocks]

The Playcalling was ****ing terrible. R2P2 over and over again.

Brodie sucked.

What offensive line?

Flowers hasn't looked the same since that Oakland game.

Our Run D Was Terrible.

Our Pass rush was terrible.

That was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from this organization. That was one of the worst performances I've ever seen in organized football. This coaching staff packed it in before the game even began. This team packed it in and quit. They looked lethargic and unmotived. They were slow, they were weak. They were just downright awful

It doesn't matter what you want to blame it on. All facets of this team failed miserably. They should all be ashamed. especially the O-Line.....And The D-Line.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by jd1020

How many of the plays called for Croyle would have even gave Tom Brady a chance to convert? Croyle was completely handcuffed and it's because Haley and Weis dont have as much faith in Croyle as they would lead you to believe.

It isn't a matter of faith in Croyle. Hint - the WR's aren't very good. Hint - the OL isn't as good as people think. There is a reason why Cassel was on a short leash for over half a year, and why there were so many 1 read and check down plays. And the reason wasn't 100% Cassel.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It isn't a matter of faith in Croyle. Hint - the WR's aren't very good. Hint - the OL isn't as good as people think. There is a reason why Cassel was on a short leash for over half a year, and why there were so many 1 read and check down plays. And the reason wasn't 100% Cassel.

Way to completely dodge the question.

[Bane]

"Stop blaming the play calling"

Or what?**** you and the play calling.The way that game was called is complete bullshit,and absolutely without a doubt one of the worst game plans I have ever witnessed in my life.
Eat shit and die you goddamn ****tard.

[LaChapelle]

If your backup QB can't come off the bench and lead a respectable showing
what good is he
too bad there is a shortage of washed up average starters out there

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by LaChapelle

If your backup QB can't come off the bench and lead a respectable showing
what good is he
too bad there is a shortage of washed up average starters out there

Backups are always fan favorites in KC.

This past preseason everyone was clamoring about how good Flynn was in Green Bay. Look how things turned out yesterday for him.