Chiefs Stop blaming the play calling. - Page 8

acesn8s · 12-12-2010, 11:36 PM

Croyle failed today because he sucks ass. Everything was called as normal except an end around. And its not like that play is called every game anyways. Croyle was in the shotgun, under center, play action, threw deep, threw short, screens, and bootlegs. The play calling was not the problem of our offense; decision making was the problem. Croyle checks down too much and tries to throw a bullet on short pass plays. His accuracy is horrible. And he is indecisive when pressured.

Here is a breakdown of his performance.

After 4 straight runs gaining 13 yards and a 1st down, Croyle throws on 3rd and 10 to Copper for a WR screen losing 1 yard. Chiefs punt.

After a 1 yard loss by Jones, Croyle checks down to Charles for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 11 while a wide open McCluster breaks to the sideline with room to run. On 3rd and 7 Croyle over throws Copper. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle is sacked for a 12 yard loss after a horrible attempt of a play action fake. After a run by Charles, Croyle checks down with a quick throw to Moeaki for 8 yards on 3rd and 18. Chiefs punt.

After Charles gains a 1st down and 16 yards, Croyle passes on a bootleg on 2nd and 4 to Moeaki for 5 yards. After a 2 yard run by Charles, Croyle throws a deep incomplete pass out of bounds toward Bowe. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 8 Croyle checks down to Bowe on an underneath route for 3 yards. Chiefs Punt.

From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle throws an incomplete pass toward Bow that was high and away from Bowe. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 10, Croyle throws over the middle to Copper for a 16 yard gain. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle steps up in the pocket and checks down to Charles for 5 yards. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 5, Croyle throws a high pass toward Bowe deep that falls incomplete. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 5, Croyle holds the ball for 4 seconds before running back toward 2 of the 3 pass rushers and is sacked for a 11 yard loss. Halftime.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 3 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7. He never takes his eyes off Bowe and throws a bullet that a diving Bowe cannot handle. Chiefs punt.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 4 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 16. Croyle play fakes to an invisible RB, bootlegs and throws to a covered Bowe on the sideline. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle looks right, cocks to throw but never does and is sacked for a 6 yard loss. On 2nd and 16, Croyle under throws Bowe deep and the ball is deflected by the defender for an incomplete pass. On 3rd and 16 from the shotgun position, Croyle throws a screen pass toward Charles into the hands of a defensive lineman for an incomplete pass. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 18 yard pass is well defended and falls incomplete. Tucker never gets his hands on the ball. On 2nd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 13 yard pass is knocked down by the defender and falls incomplete. Tucker never touches the ball. On 3rd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle steps up in the pocket, pump fakes and is sacked; never releasing the ball even though McCluster is apparently open near the first down marker. Chiefs punt.

Palko enters the game and goes 2 of 3 for 8 yards. Croyle's day is done going 7 of 17 for 40 yards.

**Saul Good** · 12-13-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

17 passes in 31-0 loss... GTFO! Your idiocy is contagious.

When you only get 3 plays per drive, that's what happens. I wish we would have thrown twice as many passes. I also wish we would have run the ball twice as many times. It would have been great if we had 80 offensive plays, but it's hard tp throw a bunch of passes when youe D is on the field.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-13-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

17 passes in 31-0 loss... GTFO! Your idiocy is contagious.

The chiefs killed 4 of the 5 first half drives through passes, not runs. I'm glad you continue to dance around this point.

When you call 2 pass plays in a 3-down sequence and few of those are screens or quick passes, that is NOT handcuffing. Did I mention that happened 4 out of the 5 first half drives?

Did I mention the chiefs passed twice on a 3-down sequence in 4 of the 5 drive killers?

Maybe if I say it a 4th time it will finally register.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-13-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I am not sure you even watched the game. You missed the tight end drop, as you admitted earlier in this thread.

The first series was key, very key. The Chiefs won the toss, they needed to do something, but no, do exactly what the Chargers expected. The Chargers jumped all over it, stuffed the conservative calls, and came right down and scored, now you are behind.

Why not do something like the Eagles did last night to start the game? Did you see that? The Eagles were playing on the road, in front of hostile crowd, similar to the Chiefs.

That third down was a miserable playcall. However, the next 4 drives, they opened the offense up significantly. I keep hearing about R2P2, but the fact is the chiefs failed on those 4 drives bc of a R1P3.

Just Passin' By · 12-13-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I am not sure you even watched the game. You missed the tight end drop, as you admitted earlier in this thread.

The first series was key, very key. The Chiefs won the toss, they needed to do something, but no, do exactly what the Chargers expected. The Chargers jumped all over it, stuffed the conservative calls, and came right down and scored, now you are behind.

Why not do something like the Eagles did last night to start the game? Did you see that? The Eagles were playing on the road, in front of hostile crowd, similar to the Chiefs.

The Eagles have Michael Vick throwing to Desean Jackson and company. The Chiefs had Brodie Croyle throwing to Dwayne Bowe and company.

There's no similarity to the Chiefs.

**HemiEd** · 12-13-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That third down was a miserable playcall. However, the next 4 drives, they opened the offense up significantly. I keep hearing about R2P2, but the fact is the chiefs failed on those 4 drives bc of a R1P3.

Well we are in agreement on the first drive, on how it went down. My main problem is what it did to the team's chances on future drives, not just that it failed.

The second drive, the only reason they tried two passes, was because Thomas Jones got stuffed for -1 yard on 1st down.

Then on second down and 114, they really opened it up for a four yard pass to Jamaal Charles, so now it is third and 7. Do you not think that play was called by the Coaching staff?
Guess what is coming now?
No time for Croyle due to the Ole' offensive line, and he made a desperation pass to Copper.

The third drive, still only down by 7, as SD had to punt.

Offensive line total fail, total whiff.
Brodie sacked for a 12 yard loss. Now what play would you call on second and 22? Hmmm, how about a JC run for 4 yards?
3rd and 18, short completion to Moeaki for 8 yards,
punt again.

Okay, now down by 14, time to really open it up! (this will be the best drive and highlight of the day)
4th drive
JC for 10 yards 1st down!
JC for 6 yards
Moeaki catch for 5 yards 1st down!
JC for 2 yards
Pass to Bowe dropped
Pass to Bowe for 3 yards
Punt

21 to nothing. Game over, they have to be totally one dimensional now, thanks for playing.

I fail to see where the game was opened up. At that time Croyle was 5 for 7, for 11 yards. These short passes are not his strength as all of us know, but then again, Weiss said he was just getting aqauinted with Croyle on Wednesday.
They had rushed 10 times for 30 yards.

That is some pretty damning evidence on the whole Offense, the game plan and play calling in my opinion.

**The Franchise** · 12-13-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

These short passes are not his strength as all of us know, but then again, Weiss said he was just getting aqauinted with Croyle on Wednesday.

This is the part that I don't get. Weis should know what he has in every one of his QBs. He should know what kind of gameplan he needs to have with each one.

How are you just getting familiar with Croyle on Wednesday? He's been there since you got there dipshit.

FAX · 12-13-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This is tired and old already.

If you say Croyle sucked you hate him.

If you point out that the entire team sucked it means you're making excuses for Croyle.

Bull$3it.

TEAM SUCK.

ALL SUCK.

COACHES SUCKED. Probably, the worst suck. I place most the blame on the coaching staff for allowing this performance...

I award this post 4 yeppers.

FAX

**HemiEd** · 12-13-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

This is the part that I don't get. Weis should know what he has in every one of his QBs. He should know what kind of gameplan he needs to have with each one.

How are you just getting familiar with Croyle on Wednesday? He's been there since you got there dipshit.

Yeah, when I read that article I was hoping it was a smokescreen, but obviously it wasn't.

Seriously, when I saw that opening play by Michael Vick last night, it even pissed me off more. It was like salt in the wound.

Anybody, including Weiss that doesn't think Croyle can make that pass, hasn't been paying attention IMO. He is better with that pass than he is the bubble screen. If it misses, so what, at least it would have had some benefit.

Just Passin' By · 12-13-2010, 03:58 PM

JFC, the bashing of the playcalling is absolutely reeruned.

Opening drive vs. Broncos:

run/run/run/pass/pass

You people bitch when they pass, and you bitch when they run. Look, the team is not going to call every play exactly how you want them to. That does not mean that the playcalling is bad. The Chiefs are a running team, and they are going to call running plays.

acesn8s · 12-13-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

There are a lot of factors at work here. Croyle was rusty, nervous and overthrowing. That being said the O lines performance today was and obamination. You don't need to look any further than our offensive yardage total to see that. Lastly as much as you don't want it being said the play calling was predictable as hell. They were loading the box to stop the run and you would think they would call some play action to get Brodie going but Nooooooooooo, we get the predictable runs until we must pass scenario over and over. It's was a problem.

Play action was called and Croyle couldn't sell it. He left the ball out in the open so that the defense on the field, the fans in the stands, and the fans watching on TV knew that Croyle was throwing the ball. The play calling wasn't predictable, Coyle was. Of course the line was going to suffer when the defense can figure out the play so quick.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-13-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Well we are in agreement on the first drive, on how it went down. My main problem is what it did to the team's chances on future drives, not just that it failed.

The second drive, the only reason they tried two passes, was because Thomas Jones got stuffed for -1 yard on 1st down.

Then on second down and 114, they really opened it up for a four yard pass to Jamaal Charles, so now it is third and 7. Do you not think that play was called by the Coaching staff?
Guess what is coming now?
No time for Croyle due to the Ole' offensive line, and he made a desperation pass to Copper.

On the second series Croyle had a world of time. He checked down to Charles. You can see him look off a few options before dumping it off. This isn't anything new. Croyle had a reputation for being Captain Checkdown when he started for the Chiefs a while back. On third down, watch the play carefully. Bowe is wide the **** open on a crossing route and Croyle has a mile of clean pocket in front of him. All he has to do is step up in the pocket and throw the ball to Bowe. First down. This series is entirely on Croyle. They gave him two downfield plays with adequate enough protection and he didn't do anything with it.

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The third drive, still only down by 7, as SD had to punt.

Offensive line total fail, total whiff.
Brodie sacked for a 12 yard loss. Now what play would you call on second and 22? Hmmm, how about a JC run for 4 yards?
3rd and 18, short completion to Moeaki for 8 yards,
punt again.

This series is on Richardson. Take a look at the left side of the field on that play. Chambers schools his defender and is wide open deep. Again, Croyle checks down for a short gain. Can't blame the QB on this series, but he missed the open guy.

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Okay, now down by 14, time to really open it up! (this will be the best drive and highlight of the day)
4th drive
JC for 10 yards 1st down!
JC for 6 yards
Moeaki catch for 5 yards 1st down!
JC for 2 yards
Pass to Bowe dropped
Pass to Bowe for 3 yards
Punt

21 to nothing. Game over, they have to be totally one dimensional now, thanks for playing.

The pass to Bowe wasn't dropped--it was a pass where Richardson blew a block and Croyle misfired on a deep route. Can't blame him on that, but he should have spotted the blitzer on the right on the hot route. The receiver is wide open. On 3rd and 8, I don't know the intent. There are plenty of receivers running deep routes and plenty of time for the play to develop, which leads me to believe the route was not predetermined. Meanwhile, Chambers is wide open streaking on a sideline route.

Weis did not handcuff Brodie. He had a lot of opportunity to make plays. In some instances, our o-line blew the protection. In many instances, he had a clean pocket and made the wrong decision. And the main reason he had so many passes short of the chains is not because of a conservative offense. It's because he checked down to the easy target. We have to be careful about confusing scheme-related short passes and checkdowns.

I thought the gameplan was a hell of a lot more aggressive in the passing game than it's ever been. When Weis has Cassel run a 1-step drop quick pass or a screen pass, those are handcuffed passes. Not when the QB has options and intentionally throws short.

**HemiEd** · 12-13-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

JFC, the bashing of the playcalling is absolutely reeruned.

Opening drive vs. Broncos:

run/run/run/pass/pass

You people bitch when they pass, and you bitch when they run. Look, the team is not going to call every play exactly how you want them to. That does not mean that the playcalling is bad. The Chiefs are a running team, and they are going to call running plays.

Ok, you are starting to be more clear about your problem, your a moran.

It was four rushes, and finally a pass out in the flat for minus one, thanks for playing though.

play by play

If you don't think those were all called upstairs, your and idiot.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-13-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by acesn8s

Play action was called and Croyle couldn't sell it. He left the ball out in the open so that the defense on the field, the fans in the stands, and the fans watching on TV knew that Croyle was throwing the ball. The play calling wasn't predictable, Coyle was. Of course the line was going to suffer when the defense can figure out the play so quick.

Not only does he not sell it. In a playaction, it's natural to expect pressure to come. He fakes the handoff and then falls back into a 5-7 step drop. Way too many steps for a QB to take to allow a play to develop. That's why you see so many QBs rollout on a playaction and if Brodie does that, he buys himself plenty of time. As soon as he plants hard into his drop, he's dead.

acesn8s · 12-13-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Let me be clear: I want this mother****er off my team.

PERIOD.

When you need him most he folds, ****s up, bobbles passes, and otherwise sucks.

DO NOT WANT...

You are talking about Croyle, right?

**HemiEd** · 12-13-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

On the second series Croyle had a world of time. He checked down to Charles. You can see him look off a few options before dumping it off. This isn't anything new. Croyle had a reputation for being Captain Checkdown when he started for the Chiefs a while back. On third down, watch the play carefully. Bowe is wide the **** open on a crossing route and Croyle has a mile of clean pocket in front of him. All he has to do is step up in the pocket and throw the ball to Bowe. First down. This series is entirely on Croyle. They gave him two downfield plays with adequate enough protection and he didn't do anything with it.

This series is on Richardson. Take a look at the left side of the field on that play. Chambers schools his defender and is wide open deep. Again, Croyle checks down for a short gain. Can't blame the QB on this series, but he missed the open guy.

The pass to Bowe wasn't dropped--it was a pass where Richardson blew a block and Croyle misfired on a deep route. Can't blame him on that, but he should have spotted the blitzer on the right on the hot route. The receiver is wide open. On 3rd and 8, I don't know the intent. There are plenty of receivers running deep routes and plenty of time for the play to develop, which leads me to believe the route was not predetermined. Meanwhile, Chambers is wide open streaking on a sideline route.

Weis did not handcuff Brodie. He had a lot of opportunity to make plays. In some instances, our o-line blew the protection. In many instances, he had a clean pocket and made the wrong decision. And the main reason he had so many passes short of the chains is not because of a conservative offense. It's because he checked down to the easy target. We have to be careful about confusing scheme-related short passes and checkdowns.

I thought the gameplan was a hell of a lot more aggressive in the passing game than it's ever been. When Weis has Cassel run a 1-step drop quick pass or a screen pass, those are handcuffed passes. Not when the QB has options and intentionally throws short.

So do you think "Captain Checkdown" is damaged goods from the Herm era?

I did find it encouraging, to see his helmet actually move, when looking for an open receiver.

I just assumed he was being told to "no matter what" don't turn the ball over (same as Herm), so he was playing safe as instructed.

We will just have to disagree on the aggressive game plan thought though, to me it was ultra conservative, until there was no choice.

I was too pissed after the game to save the DVR of it.

12-12-2010, 11:36 PM
acesn8s MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Here Casino cash: $10007119	Stop blaming the play calling. Croyle failed today because he sucks ass. Everything was called as normal except an end around. And its not like that play is called every game anyways. Croyle was in the shotgun, under center, play action, threw deep, threw short, screens, and bootlegs. The play calling was not the problem of our offense; decision making was the problem. Croyle checks down too much and tries to throw a bullet on short pass plays. His accuracy is horrible. And he is indecisive when pressured. Here is a breakdown of his performance. After 4 straight runs gaining 13 yards and a 1st down, Croyle throws on 3rd and 10 to Copper for a WR screen losing 1 yard. Chiefs punt. After a 1 yard loss by Jones, Croyle checks down to Charles for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 11 while a wide open McCluster breaks to the sideline with room to run. On 3rd and 7 Croyle over throws Copper. Chiefs punt. On 1st and 10, Croyle is sacked for a 12 yard loss after a horrible attempt of a play action fake. After a run by Charles, Croyle checks down with a quick throw to Moeaki for 8 yards on 3rd and 18. Chiefs punt. After Charles gains a 1st down and 16 yards, Croyle passes on a bootleg on 2nd and 4 to Moeaki for 5 yards. After a 2 yard run by Charles, Croyle throws a deep incomplete pass out of bounds toward Bowe. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 8 Croyle checks down to Bowe on an underneath route for 3 yards. Chiefs Punt. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle throws an incomplete pass toward Bow that was high and away from Bowe. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 10, Croyle throws over the middle to Copper for a 16 yard gain. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle steps up in the pocket and checks down to Charles for 5 yards. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 5, Croyle throws a high pass toward Bowe deep that falls incomplete. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 5, Croyle holds the ball for 4 seconds before running back toward 2 of the 3 pass rushers and is sacked for a 11 yard loss. Halftime. After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 3 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7. He never takes his eyes off Bowe and throws a bullet that a diving Bowe cannot handle. Chiefs punt. After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 4 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 16. Croyle play fakes to an invisible RB, bootlegs and throws to a covered Bowe on the sideline. Chiefs punt. On 1st and 10, Croyle looks right, cocks to throw but never does and is sacked for a 6 yard loss. On 2nd and 16, Croyle under throws Bowe deep and the ball is deflected by the defender for an incomplete pass. On 3rd and 16 from the shotgun position, Croyle throws a screen pass toward Charles into the hands of a defensive lineman for an incomplete pass. Chiefs punt. On 1st and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 18 yard pass is well defended and falls incomplete. Tucker never gets his hands on the ball. On 2nd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 13 yard pass is knocked down by the defender and falls incomplete. Tucker never touches the ball. On 3rd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle steps up in the pocket, pump fakes and is sacked; never releasing the ball even though McCluster is apparently open near the first down marker. Chiefs punt. Palko enters the game and goes 2 of 3 for 8 yards. Croyle's day is done going 7 of 17 for 40 yards.
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Just Passin' By In Search of a Life Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $5460524	JFC, the bashing of the playcalling is absolutely reeruned. Opening drive vs. Broncos: run/run/run/pass/pass You people bitch when they pass, and you bitch when they run. Look, the team is not going to call every play exactly how you want them to. That does not mean that the playcalling is bad. The Chiefs are a running team, and they are going to call running plays.
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