Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Woah now, Tiger. Slow down.

With bad feet, he has an average NFL 'arm'. I feel like anytime I say anything remotely critical of Smith I have to preface it by reminding anyone reading that I love the guy as a prospect, but let's be realistic here.

Yes, his 'arm' is great, but he doesn't get the most out of it because he doesn't use his legs right. So when you talk about his arm, you're not really talking about what it is capable of with proper mechanics, but rather you're talking about the actual velocity generated when he throws a football. When his feet aren't working right, his 'arm' is still strong but he's not getting the most out of it so his velocity wanes. When he's doing that, his usable arm strength is very Sam Bradford-esque; adequate, but not outstanding.

Again, Matt Cassel can throw a football 60 yards - we've seen him do it. NFL arm-strength is otherworldly, even among the guys with 'noodle' arms. It massively understates just how gifted these guys are athletically to say that Geno is going to come in here with bad legs and still have a better arm than 2/3 of the league.

C'mon. Let's be honest about Smith's strengths right now. Velocity isn't among them.

This......the zip on his passes are not impressive.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

This......the zip on his passes are not impressive.

Would we all be fine with a less douchy, more mobile Philip Rivers at #1 overall?

Seeing as how the original completely douchy, less mobile Philip Rivers went at #3, I would be fine with it.

If Geno never can get his feet firmed up, Rivers is his ceiling. If that's what he ends up, would everyone presently on the Geno train consider it a good pick?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Would we all be fine with a less douchy, more mobile Philip Rivers at #1 overall?

Seeing as how the original completely douchy, less mobile Philip Rivers went at #3, I would be fine with it.

If Geno never can get his feet firmed up, Rivers is his ceiling. If that's what he ends up, would everyone presently on the Geno train consider it a good pick?

No question it would be. (Not to nitpick, but it was the 4th pick)

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Geno never can get his feet firmed up, Rivers is his ceiling. If that's what he ends up, would everyone presently on the Geno train consider it a good pick?

yes. absolutely worth it. If he has the exacty same career as Drew Bledsoe hes worth it and i dont consider Bledsoe a Hall of Famer or anything.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Would we all be fine with a less douchy, more mobile Philip Rivers at #1 overall?

Seeing as how the original completely douchy, less mobile Philip Rivers went at #3, I would be fine with it.

If Geno never can get his feet firmed up, Rivers is his ceiling. If that's what he ends up, would everyone presently on the Geno train consider it a good pick?

Absolutely emphatically YES.

My ONLY problem with Rivers is that he's a first class douchebag.

If you could get him, minus the tude, you do it in a heartbeat.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Would we all be fine with a less douchy, more mobile Philip Rivers at #1 overall?

Seeing as how the original completely douchy, less mobile Philip Rivers went at #3, I would be fine with it.

If Geno never can get his feet firmed up, Rivers is his ceiling. If that's what he ends up, would everyone presently on the Geno train consider it a good pick?

I'm in
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[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

This......the zip on his passes are not impressive.

I bet 100M CC money at the combine that won't be a big issue or that he proves it's not. That he will show plenty of zip on his passes.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

This......the zip on his passes are not impressive.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I bet 100M CC money at the combine that won't be a big issue or that he proves it's not. That he will show plenty of zip on his passes.

Would you like to take this bet CoMoChief?

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I bet 100M CC money at the combine that won't be a big issue or that he proves it's not. That he will show plenty of zip on his passes.

I'm going to be surprised if he throws at the combine.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I'm going to be surprised if he throws at the combine.

I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't.

He can't just sit back and dodge every attempt he has to prove that he's worth that draft pick.

I would honestly start to question his confidence and leadership ability if he doesn't throw at the combine. A great leader needs to have that swagger and confidence that he's the biggest chocolately peen on the block and if Smith isn't willing to prove that, you have another flag popping up, IMO.

I don't like that he didn't play at the SR bowl, but I understand it (too many things can determine whether or not you do well to really be a fair measure). However, if he also refuses to throw at the combine, when it's just him and God controlling shit, then he's pretty much proving himself a bit of a coward at that point.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't.

He can't just sit back and dodge every attempt he has to prove that he's worth that draft pick.

I would honestly start to question his confidence and leadership ability if he doesn't throw at the combine. A great leader needs to have that swagger and confidence that he's the biggest chocolately peen on the block and if Smith isn't willing to prove that, you have another flag popping up, IMO.

I don't like that he didn't play at the SR bowl, but I understand it (too many things can determine whether or not you do well to really be a fair measure). However, if he also refuses to throw at the combine, when it's just him and God controlling shit, then he's pretty much proving himself a bit of a coward at that point.

There have been a lot of QB's not throw at Indy and wait until their schools Pro Day.

And while I agreee with you, I am not going to be shocked if he waits, nor will I hold it against him. But I will be disappointed.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't.

He can't just sit back and dodge every attempt he has to prove that he's worth that draft pick.

I would honestly start to question his confidence and leadership ability if he doesn't throw at the combine. A great leader needs to have that swagger and confidence that he's the biggest chocolately peen on the block and if Smith isn't willing to prove that, you have another flag popping up, IMO.

I don't like that he didn't play at the SR bowl, but I understand it (too many things can determine whether or not you do well to really be a fair measure). However, if he also refuses to throw at the combine, when it's just him and God controlling shit, then he's pretty much proving himself a bit of a coward at that point.

WHy? alot of top picks have private Pro Days now in March.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

WHy? alot of top picks have private Pro Days now in March.

Uh...whuh?

I'm pretty sure I answered the 'why'. As to my reasoning for it, 'a lot of top picks' aren't quarterbacks and those that are aren't vying for the #1 overall pick in a draft where there is so much debate over the consensus top QB available.

It's not terribly instructive to look to what other prospects do, IMO. What Geno should do is show the confidence in himself and his ability and go throw at the damn combine, when he'll be able to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the people he's claiming he's better than and prove it.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Uh...whuh?

I'm pretty sure I answered the 'why'. As to my reasoning for it, 'a lot of top picks' aren't quarterbacks and those that are aren't vying for the #1 overall pick in a draft where there is so much debate over the consensus top QB available.

It's not terribly instructive to look to what other prospects do, IMO. What Geno should do is show the confidence in himself and his ability and go throw at the damn combine, when he'll be able to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the people he's claiming he's better than and prove it.

I like your posts and very informative on things you've seen with geno and realist about his flaws (as opposed to others). I've seen much of the same that you've seen with his arm lacking velocity because of his footwork.

I'm curious your opinion on his mental aspect though? I know people say he's heavy into watching tape and making his game better, and that he's a true leader. I haven't watched much of geno except for K-State game, Pinstripe bowl. I want to know what your take is on his leadership skills and his mental makeup for the game? In the couple games i've watched against good defenses and being harassed he seemed to unravel on the field and on the sidelines. Also got reports of him being one of the most selfish players on the field. You think he'll impress? you think all these red flags popping up are smoke or you think there is warrant there?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Uh...whuh?

I'm pretty sure I answered the 'why'. As to my reasoning for it, 'a lot of top picks' aren't quarterbacks and those that are aren't vying for the #1 overall pick in a draft where there is so much debate over the consensus top QB available.

It's not terribly instructive to look to what other prospects do, IMO. What Geno should do is show the confidence in himself and his ability and go throw at the damn combine, when he'll be able to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the people he's claiming he's better than and prove it.

You kind of beat me to the punch.

What I was going to say was this:

Yes, it's true. Most of the top QB prospects don't throw at the combine.

However, to me this year is VERY similar to the year Cam Newton went #1 overall.

People everywhere were talking and mocking Marcell Dareus and Bowers and Tyron Smith, etc.

That year Newton threw at the combine and people were all wondering why, you know, because the top guys never throw.

Worked out well for Newton, and even though his performance was so-so, he quickly solidified himself as the #1 overall pick.