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Old 05-05-2014, 10:25 AM  
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:00 AM   #811
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If any of this is true, the Chiefs are just against any type of long term success and winning. It has been ages since they had a really good QB. They now have a someone who is good in every aspect of what you want in a QB. Smart, tough a coach on the field. He can run and has the ability to play big in big games. He is a leader in the community an good for everyone in KC. He just turned 30 years old an doesnt have a ton of tread on the tires. Give this guy his money, he deserves it and the Chiefs have been cheap enough. They can afford it an it wont deplete their talent pool.

Its a travesty that this is even being discussed, its always something with the KC Chiefs and the QB situation.
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:05 AM   #812
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If any of this is true, the Chiefs are just against any type of long term success and winning. It has been ages since they had a really good QB. They now have a someone who is good in every aspect of what you want in a QB. Smart, tough a coach on the field. He can run and has the ability to play big in big games. He is a leader in the community an good for everyone in KC. He just turned 30 years old an doesnt have a ton of tread on the tires. Give this guy his money, he deserves it and the Chiefs have been cheap enough. They can afford it an it wont deplete their talent pool.

Its a travesty that this is even being discussed, its always something with the KC Chiefs and the QB situation.
Sorry, while the last 6 games presented hope that Alex Smith is progressing, and can be more than a stop gap, mediocre game manager, it was only 6 games, and in no way justifies over paying on a long term deal.

Give him a 100 mil extension, and he regresses, KC would be ****ed.
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:07 AM   #813
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Still havent seen a single reason to give Alex an extension that is in the ballpark of the top QBs in the league, but w/e. I guess it's the hip thing to do these days.

HOLY ****! WE MADE THE PLAYOFFS! He surely deserves to be paid like Flacco after he won the SB!!!!
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:08 AM   #814
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People need to start bringing alternatives to the table when they say "Don't pay Alex". That's fine that you think that, but one question: who are you replacing him with?
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People need to start bringing alternatives to the table when they say "Don't pay Alex". That's fine that you think that, but one question: who are you replacing him with?
To answer your question, one has to ask another.

Is Alex Smith the guy?

If not, the final answer to your question is, who gives a rat's ass?
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People need to start bringing alternatives to the table when they say "Sont pay Alex". That's fine that you think that, but one question: who are you replacing him with?
What holes did we fill this year at any position where a player walked?

Are you suggesting that low level free agents and castoffs aren't good enough replacements?...
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:19 AM   #817
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There is nothing wrong with him trying to maximize his earnings. That being said, it has been argued here for months that Alex Smith was a guy who would be willing to take a lower than market value contract in order to help out the team. That doesn't seem to be the case.
I don't think the total amount is the hangup. I think the guarantee is the issue. He was performing well and winning when he got Kaepernick'd. His contract was low enough that they could have kept him (8M) and Kaepernick (1M) and there'd be nothing he could do about it. Thankfully, for him, the Niners traded him to a team not named Cleveland or Oakland. I don't think Smith wants to be at the mercy of the team again. A contract that says to pay him as starter or release him, IMO.

If they are offering a guarantee that is for 2-3 years worth, he absolutely should not sign. Go and earn a new contract. Chances are that contract is at least 2-3 years AFTER this year. Total money does not matter, guarantee and signing bonus matters.

Too much and it hurts his team that could help him succeed and keep his job. Too little and he's too expendable. It doesn't matter if the Chiefs paid him a lot this year and next, it helps him little. He needs years 4-6 to be sufficient.
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What holes did we fill this year at any position where a player walked?

Are you suggesting that low level free agents and castoffs aren't good enough replacements?...
I'd say Walker is a pretty big upgrade to Jackson with his 43 QB pressures to Jackson's 8. On the inside too, where we need that pressure.
I'm not gonna fault Dorsey for not going on a spending spree or drafting players to replace players that are gone next year.

Some people don't understand that we literally couldn't do anything else. Well, unless you don't wanna pay our best players to stay here.
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Hmmm... this is interesting... might they be trying to define a 2nd-tier QB market?
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Then you have no business making any comment about Alex Smith at this point in time.
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Alex did the same shit in SF.

He wanted more money than they wanted to give him and so they let him hit the market. He ended up signing back to SF for less than he and his agent thought he was worth. Either Alex or his agent have a history of overestimating his market value.

I think his agent wants another cut like he got out of his rookie contract, and that's just not going to happen. If Alex hits the market after the season he's not going to get top flight QB money at 31 years old. The bigger problem is that KC has no plan B unless Bray or Murray turn it up and prove they have some long term value. I think Alex can only improve his value by having an incredible season... but he can do a LOT to lower his value.
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Reid has shown he can get adequate play out of the feeleys and company of the league, so if all Alex is gonna give you is adequate play, don't pay him. If Reid is the QB guru we've been lead to believe, why not let him roll with a much cheaper option and get similar play?

So to the question of "if no Alex, then who?" It doesn't really matter.
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The question is "Can Alex Smith get a team to the Super Bowl".

He walked off the field in New Orleans with the NFC Championship game more or less wrapped up, but I know that won't carry weight with people who probably also blame Smith for the Colts loss despite playing maybe his best game as a Chief.

So the schools are:

*Yes, Alex is good enough to get to the Super Bowl.
*I'm not sure if he's good enough or not.
*No, he's not good enough.

If you're in the first camp you want to pay him. If you're in the second camp, it would be madness to send him away and start over. Surely the chances of him winning a Super Bowl are much greater than that of a random rookie draft pick.

Of course, the third camp doesn't want to pay him because they think he's not the guy, but that is a pretty hard case to make. His numbers over the past 5 seasons are very consistent.

I think the sensible answer is that we pay him for the next 2-3 years. Camps 1 and 2 would be happy, and by the end of that period, he'll be either at the age where he begins to decline or we'll know he is the guy.
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Sure he's good enough to win a SB. But paying him 18 million dollars per year is going to seriously effect that.
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