Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM

[BossChief]

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

Yep. Cassel is the monkey on Pioli's back... all he had to do was admit one mistake.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

I agree, it all comes down to Pioli being a complete ****ing reerun with Cassel.

Cassel led to Haley's firing, Crennel's hiring as HC, completely alienating the fans, etc.


If Pioli is retained, say hello to Josh McDaniels.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by notorious

I agree, it all comes down to Pioli being a complete ****ing reerun with Cassel.

Bullshit.

It comes down to:

- Cassel

- Being a prick with the media

- Shutting the team off from the fan base

- Being and egocentric meglomaniac (the Chiefs do not have a Director of Scouting because Pioli thinks he knows ****ing everything)

- Every first round pick he's had

- Trading up for ****ing tight ends

- Candy wrappers

- CIA Brown Shirts around the stadium

- Romeo Crennel

- Brian Daboll

- Brady Quinn

And ever other shithole thing that has happened to this franchise in the past four years.

Let's face facts - this Chiefs team, in the fourth year of the Pioli regime, stands as one of the historically bad teams in the history of the NFL. Samurai used to commit seppuku for an 1/8th of what has happened here with the Chiefs this year.

This guy was brought in to, quote his own words, "win championships."

This, the 2012 season - his fourth year as GM, is not winning championships. It's the mother ****ing Titanic. The ****ing Black Plague of modern football. It doesn't get worse than this. It's ****ing horrible.

This ****ing guy should give back every single cent he stole from this team.

**** Pioli.

The guy sucks shit out of a stinking skunks festered ass.

**** him with Mecca's toilet brush.

**** this ****ing guy.

Millions of dollars and he fields the worst NFL team in the last 50 years.

**** YOU PIOLI!!!

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bullshit.

It comes down to:

- Cassel

- Being a prick with the media

- Shutting the team off from the fan base

- Being and egocentric meglomaniac (the Chiefs do not have a Director of Scouting because Pioli thinks he knows ****ing everything)

- Every first round pick he's had

- Trading up for ****ing tight ends

- Candy wrappers

- CIA Brown Shirts around the stadium

- Romeo Crennel

- Brian Daboll

- Brady Quinn

And ever other shithole thing that has happened to this franchise in the past four years.

Let's face facts - this Chiefs team, in the fourth year of the Pioli regime, stands as one of the historically bad teams in the history of the NFL. Samurai used to commit seppuku for an 1/8th of what has happened here with the Chiefs this year.

This guy was brought in to, quote his own words, "win championships."

This, the 2012 season - his fourth year as GM, is not winning championships. It's the mother ****ing Titanic. The ****ing Black Plague of modern football. It doesn't get worse than this. It's ****ing horrible.

This ****ing guy should give back every single cent he stole from this team.

**** Pioli.

The guy sucks shit out of a stinking skunks festered ass.

**** him with Mecca's toilet brush.

**** this ****ing guy.

Millions of dollars and he fields the worst NFL team in the last 50 years.

**** YOU PIOLI!!!

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bullshit.

Read the entire thread before calling bullshit.

[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by notorious

I agree, it all comes down to Pioli being a complete ****ing reerun with Cassel.

Cassel led to Haley's firing, Crennel's hiring as HC, completely alienating the fans, etc.


If Pioli is retained, say hello to Josh McDaniels.

Is it wrong to want Haley back?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Is it wrong to want Haley back?

I am not an expert, but he did have some qualities that I like in a HC.


I don't know if his obvious weaknesses were due to Cassel and Pioli.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by notorious

I am not an expert, but he did have some qualities that I like in a HC.


I don't know if his obvious weaknesses were due to Cassel and Pioli.

My theory on this has been articulated before. I liked Haley. I liked his attitude and I liked his commitment to winning. It's a damn shame that he was paired with a certified asswipe like Dr. Evil whom I firmly believe actively undermined his efforts to turn this team into a successful franchise.

I never fully understood why people made so much of his "antics" on the sideline. NFL HCs are always going off for one reason or another and are rarely called out for it. Yet, when Haley showed some emotion (which I prefer to Roleo's or Herm's narcoleptic zombie demeanor) people went nuts ... never got that.

He was also a guy who studied the game. It interesting that the "new NFL math" is gaining traction when it comes to fourth down attempts, fakes, etc. Haley was trashed for his creativity and understanding of the percentages. If given another opportunity, I think he will eventually be a very successful head coach in this league. Meanwhile, we'll probably still be trying to figure out how to rebuild one more time.

FAX

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by FAX

My theory on this has been articulated before. I liked Haley. I liked his attitude and I liked his commitment to winning. It's a damn shame that he was paired with a certified asswipe like Dr. Evil whom I firmly believe actively undermined his efforts to turn this team into a successful franchise.

I never fully understood why people made so much of his "antics" on the sideline. NFL HCs are always going off for one reason or another and are rarely called out for it. Yet, when Haley showed some emotion (which I prefer to Roleo's or Herm's narcoleptic zombie demeanor) people went nuts ... never got that.

He was also a guy who studied the game. It interesting that the "new NFL math" is gaining traction when it comes to fourth down attempts, fakes, etc. Haley was trashed for his creativity and understanding of the percentages. If given another opportunity, I think he will eventually be a very successful head coach in this league. Meanwhile, we'll probably still be trying to figure out how to rebuild one more time.

FAX

The problem is that Haley didn't understand the percentages. Inconsistency was his consistency, as he'd go for it deep in his own territory, yet punt on the opponent's side in a manageable fourth-down situation.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The problem is that Haley didn't understand the percentages. Inconsistency was his consistency, as he'd go for it deep in his own territory, yet punt on the opponent's side in a manageable fourth-down situation.

One man's inconsistency is another man's surprise attack, Mr. DeezNutz.

Nevertheless, you may be right. Those decisions are situational, though. In order to agree with you, my brain would have to absorb the game circumstances associated with each call.

There's another variable, as well ... who was actually making the call? For example, was it Weis or Methuselah or Haley himself who make the call to run Thomas Jones around right end on 4th and 2 (or whatever it was)? So far as we know, it was Weis. Of course, Weis (a proven megalomaniac in his own right) would probably deny that.

Oh ... and as for "the team quit on him", Mr. PGM ... think about it ... when your GM is proactively busting your balls behind your back on a daily basis, it's a little difficult to lead. I challenge any HC in the entire league to retain his respected leadership status under those circumstances. It's impossible. Cannot be done. No way. No how.

FAX

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The problem is that Haley didn't understand the percentages. Inconsistency was his consistency, as he'd go for it deep in his own territory, yet punt on the opponent's side in a manageable fourth-down situation.

His game management needed to improve. I've never denied that. I do think the gambles tended to take place when the team was a little more desperate for lucky breaks. But still... It's a valid criticism. As milkman has said many times, these are things he deserved a little more time to prove he can change his ways.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by FAX

My theory on this has been articulated before. I liked Haley. I liked his attitude and I liked his commitment to winning. It's a damn shame that he was paired with a certified asswipe like Dr. Evil whom I firmly believe actively undermined his efforts to turn this team into a successful franchise.

I never fully understood why people made so much of his "antics" on the sideline. NFL HCs are always going off for one reason or another and are rarely called out for it. Yet, when Haley showed some emotion (which I prefer to Roleo's or Herm's narcoleptic zombie demeanor) people went nuts ... never got that.

He was also a guy who studied the game. It interesting that the "new NFL math" is gaining traction when it comes to fourth down attempts, fakes, etc. Haley was trashed for his creativity and understanding of the percentages. If given another opportunity, I think he will eventually be a very successful head coach in this league. Meanwhile, we'll probably still be trying to figure out how to rebuild one more time.

FAX

One thing I have never understood about the Haley bashing crowd was this...

Almost every single time the camera's focused in on Haley, he was not berating anyone. I saw him in discussions with players a couple of times while he was here, but really not that many for a man with a reputation as a hot head.

Nor was he seen talking into his headset, yet it is widely accepted that he overrode the playcalling of nearly all of his OC's. How exactly was that possible without conversation?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Coogs

One thing I have never understood about the Haley bashing crowd was this...

Almost every single time the camera's focused in on Haley, he was not berating anyone.

You weren't paying attention then.

He chewed major ass on Bowe, Ca$$hole, and Grandpa OC just to name a few...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

His drafts weren't bad?

4 years and not a single impact player. Houston might prove to be one, but even then - one impact player in 4 drafts?

That's a huge reason why this team has gone full circle back to the 2-14 hell Pioli inherited.