Bryce Petty

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

So you believe that there will not be a single starting caliber QB from the 2014 draft?

Because Daniel isn't one. So if there's nobody from this draft that's good enough to beat out Daniel, you're saying that there's nobody from this draft that is going to be good enough to start for a credible NFL football team.

Yeah, I'll take that bet. I've not followed the position nearly as closely as last years, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's a starter in this draft. There's a starter in every draft.

Even if there isn't a Luck, there's a Glennon or Foles. There's a guy that will succeed in the right spot and there's no reason that spot can't be here.

If Bray has shown anything this year, I'd cut Daniel and let those two fight for the #2 job. If he hasn't, I'd cut Bray and replace him. You should know after having a guy in the system for a year if he's good enough to bother trying to develop.

The Chiefs should absolutely explore the possibility of adding a QB in this draft.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you believe that there will not be a single starting caliber QB from the 2014 draft?

Because Daniel isn't one. So if there's nobody from this draft that's good enough to beat out Daniel, you're saying that there's nobody from this draft that is going to be good enough to start for a credible NFL football team.

Yeah, I'll take that bet. I've not followed the position nearly as closely as last years, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's a starter in this draft. There's a starter in every draft.

Even if there isn't a Luck, there's a Glennon or Foles. There's a guy that will succeed in the right spot and there's no reason that spot can't be here.

If Bray has shown anything this year, I'd cut Daniel and let those two fight for the #2 job. If he hasn't, I'd cut Bray and replace him. You should know after having a guy in the system for a year if he's good enough to bother trying to develop.

The Chiefs should absolutely explore the possibility of adding a QB in this draft.

I liked Foles coming out. In fact, I seem to remember taking shit about stating that I thought he was a better prospect than Tannehill.

And who says Daniel isn't Russ Wilson? He wasn't beating out Brees and he isn't going to beat out Smith, but given the chance...who knows. We certainly don't, and I'm not sure that simply drafting another guy because we don't think he's good enough is complete justification for drafting another dude just to draft another dude because another dude is just going to be another dude.

And I think Bray, with proper coaching, has a lot of potential.

I'm really not too concerned with the Chiefs QB situation right now.

Like I said, if the coaching staff thinks that they can better it down the road because Bray isn't advancing in two seasons or so, that's fine. But right now, in the 2014 draft, by picking another QB, you are just picking a guy who's never going to get a shot at being anything other than the fourth guy on the depth chart at that position. That's just what it is at this point.

I think that most of you would be more concerned with fixing the obvious problems, which are WR and OG, both of which could be high level guys, or potentially high level guys, where the Chiefs will most likely pick.

A Gabe Jackson or Odell Beckham would do a lot more for this team than a guy who doesn't stand much of a chance in beating out Bray, let alone Daniel and Smith for a roster spot.

Like I said, I'm not really thrilled with this QB class. It seems like a whole bunch of average. It's not like there is a Joe Montana or Tom Brady here - who, despite their lower round selections, kicked the shit out of people in college. You aren't seeing that with any of these guys outside of Manziel and a little in Bridgewater, but everytime I watch Teddy, nothing stands out. He's good, but he's not positional epiphany level stuff.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I liked Foles coming out. In fact, I seem to remember taking shit about stating that I thought he was a better prospect than Tannehill.

And who says Daniel isn't Russ Wilson? He wasn't beating out Brees and he isn't going to beat out Smith, but given the chance...who knows. We certainly don't, and I'm not sure that simply drafting another guy because we don't think he's good enough is complete justification for drafting another dude just to draft another dude because another dude is just going to be another dude.

And I think Bray, with proper coaching, has a lot of potential.

I'm really not too concerned with the Chiefs QB situation right now.

Like I said, if the coaching staff thinks that they can better it down the road because Bray isn't advancing in two seasons or so, that's fine. But right now, in the 2014 draft, by picking another QB, you are just picking a guy who's never going to get a shot at being anything other than the fourth guy on the depth chart at that position. That's just what it is at this point.

I think that most of you would be more concerned with fixing the obvious problems, which are WR and OG, both of which could be high level guys, or potentially high level guys, where the Chiefs will most likely pick.

A Gabe Jackson or Odell Beckham would do a lot more for this team than a guy who doesn't stand much of a chance in beating out Bray, let alone Daniel and Smith for a roster spot.

Like I said, I'm not really thrilled with this QB class. It seems like a whole bunch of average. It's not like there is a Joe Montana or Tom Brady here - who, despite their lower round selections, kicked the shit out of people in college. You aren't seeing that with any of these guys outside of Manziel and a little in Bridgewater, but everytime I watch Teddy, nothing stands out. He's good, but he's not positional epiphany level stuff.

Watch Russell Wilson play some Badger games.

Then watch Daniel play some Tiger games.

There's a difference, dude. A HUUUUUUGE difference.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

Watch Russell Wilson play some Badger games.

Then watch Daniel play some Tiger games.

There's a difference, dude. A HUUUUUUGE difference.

A little hyperbole on my part to be sure, but Daniel was a very good college quarterback who has obviously stuck around the NFL as the #2 guy for a reason. Not too mention that he's been second fiddle to two guys in Brees and Smith who are noted for their work ethic and cerebral understanding of the game as well as two noted QB "gurus" in Peyton and Reid. While he's not "ideal" in the sense of prototypical physical qualities, he's got a lot under his belt in terms of intangibles, coaching and mentoring. Kind of like Wilson but better in those parameters.

And if it wasn't for Crazy Pete, Russell Wilson would still be on the bench of every other team in the league.

It's going to be very, very hard for anybody to beat out Smith as well as Daniel for the #1 and #2 spots on this roster unless it's a guy who has those physical attributes with the mental potential to play in the Reid/Ault/Childress/Peterson west coast/read option system. And they were able to get the guy with the physical aspects in Bray. Like I said, there isn't a guy in the 2014 draft with the physical traits/skill set of Bray. And there isn't a guy with the experience of either Smith or Daniel.

Just my two cents, but when you consider all aspects, using a draft pick on a QB in 2014 isn't going to net you much if anything beyond what we have and I don't think that there is anyone who is going to give you even a ceiling to what we currently have on the roster.

2014 should be about shoring up the few obvious holes that remain on the starting lineup/roster. Where we pick, we would be able to address either the WR or OG spot with a high level prospect.

Gabe Jackson has perennial All-Pro written all over him and I really like Odell Beckham, especially for this offense, i.e., precise route running, great hands, run after the catch capabilities, etc.