How much is Berry worth to YOU?

[Christofire]

Purely speculation, but really curious:

Let's say the Bucs are on the clock, and rumors are flying that the Redskins will take Berry OR that Cleveland plans to trade up and take him. If you were GM would spend the extra picks needed to trade up to #3 to ensure we get Berry? Or shake your head and take the next best player?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by spanky 52

Thanks for using common sense here. My emotions have been up and down this morning as I tend to look at the glass half empty. The Redskins have to get a LT in this draft. They don't have a 2 or 3rd round pick. If they take Berry and hope to get a starter in the 4th round, good luck with that.

If they trade down say to Cleveland and pick up an extra 3rd, there is no guarantee there would be one of the quality tackles left. Assuming KC took Okung and Seattle took Williams. Maybe we all should take some deep breaths and relax.

Okung and Williams aren't the only OTs in the draft. There aren't many people who say that the dropoff from those 2 to the next 2 or 3 guys is that substantial. I think Washington would be foolish not to trade down with Cleveland for a 3rd. The bigger question, IMO, is whether Cleveland would be willing to pay that much to trade up for Berry and I'm hoping the answer to that question is no.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Pioli doesn't have the stones to take Clausen.

I think that statement's kind of a silly way to look at it, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

I guess I just see the first round this year as stronger than you do. I thought last year was maybe the worst top 10 (and worst first round) talent-wise maybe ever. And I don't think that's the case this year.

I'm just not the kind of guy to get married to a single player. I'd be just as fine with McClain or Brandon Graham later in the round, and a safety in the early 2nd, as I would be with Berry.

What I want out of the first round is something that will leave me thinking "hey, that was a good move". Whether it's a trade down where we get good return and then a good player later in the round, or whether it's staying put at 5 and drafting Berry. Just something that makes sense, and doesn't lead to me throwing shit.

I'm expecting, however, to end up throwing shit.

Because that seems to be the established annual tradition.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Okung and Williams aren't the only OTs in the draft. There aren't many people who say that the dropoff from those 2 to the next 2 or 3 guys is that substantial. I think Washington would be foolish not to trade down with Cleveland for a 3rd. The bigger question, IMO, is whether Cleveland would be willing to pay that much to trade up for Berry and I'm hoping the answer to that question is no.

which is why the Chiefs don't want to act like they want Berry so Cleveland knows it has to trade up.

Cleveland won't want to spend extra unless they absolutely have to ... if they think there is a decent chance the chiefs go Oline then they won't trade up and we can **** them up their dog pound azz.

[FlaChief58]

As much as I like Berry, moving up from 5 doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's that whole risk reward thing. If he's not there at 5, hopefully okung or suh will be. (Just the thought of suh on our team gives me a tingle in my shorts. Not likely though) If not, I would be ok with trading down for the extra pic. Kiper thinks clausen could drop as low as 30 so we may get a qbotf, and not break the bank doing it.

[BigChiefFan]

I'd trade up, but only for Bradford or Suh.

[The Bad Guy]

There is a lot of smoke with the Redskins today. There are tons of reports that Shanahan will pull a shocker. Shanahan builds his lines first. I don't know why that fact is lost.

If it was any other team but the Redskins, I'd say this is a legit chance of happening. But the Redskins have invested a ton into the safety position. They have Landry, who could move to SS, but they also have Chris Horton and Reed Doughty, who are solid players.

I think Shanahan is putting out a lot of smoke to get someone to trade up for Berry. Put it out there that you want Berry so you could jump ahead of the Chiefs, who will take him.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What scares me about Shanahan is that he IS smart enough to take the BPA regardless of need.

Shanahan has the "genious" label but, in reality, drafts under him weren't that great, especially in the first three rounds. He did a great job in the later rounds with players like Davis and Dumervil. Here is the draft history under Shanahan. There are some okay players there but there is a lot of fail, too. he seemed really good at picking LB'ers. 2008's top pick was Clady, obviously.

2007

1 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida
2 56 Tim Crowder DE Texas
3 70 Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame

2006

1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 61 Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan

2005

2 56 Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State
3 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
3 97 Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland
3 101 Maurice Clarett -- Ohio State

2004

1 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami (Fla.)
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall
3 85 Jeremy LeSueur CB Michigan

2003

1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State

2002

1 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami (Fla.)
3 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State



2001

1 24 Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota
2 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
3 87 Reggie Hayward DE Iowa State

2000

1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California
2 40 Ian Gold LB Michigan
2 45 Kenoy Kennedy SAF Arkansas
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M

1999

1 31 Al Wilson MLB Tennessee
2 58 Montae Reagor DE Texas Tech
2 61 Lennie Friedman C Duke
3 67 Chris Watson CB Eastern Illinois
3 93 Travis McGriff WR Florida


1998

1 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee
2 61 Eric Brown SS Mississippi State
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan

1997

1 28 Trevor Pryce DT Clemson
3 67 Dan Neil G Texas

1996

1 15 John Mobley OLB Kutztown
2 44 Tory James DB Louisiana State
3 65 Detron Smith RB Texas A&M
3 78 Mark Campbell DT Florida

1995

No selections in first 3 rounds

Analysis of Shanahan's Draft Tendencies

[Hootie]

hey OTWP...

you think I should throw down $50 on Berry at #4 at 9:1 odds?

[bowener]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Trade aside, I'm scared shitless that Washington is going to **** us right in the ass tonight.

STL - Bradford
Detroit - Suh
Tampa - McCoy
Washington - Berry (****ed if they pick him - no OL)

Kansas City - ****ed

FYP

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

hey OTWP...

you think I should throw down $50 on Berry at #4 at 9:1 odds?

If I had the money, I'd consider it. Like I've pointed out, I'm worried about Washington, or someone moving up to Washington's spot.

What's the vig?

[LaChapelle]

Three 2nds in 2 years for QBs
don't seem likely

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Trade aside, I'm scared shitless that Washington is going to **** us right in the ass tonight.

STL - Bradford
Detroit - Suh
Tampa - McCoy
Washington - Berry

Kansas City - ****ed

If the Chiefs are set on taking an OT, then I would prefer this scenario. At least Okung is still sitting on the board. Oh, and he is not Tait, he is going to be a good LT.

Now, I would still prefer Berry, but so long as it isn't Bulaga.... I am relieved if not happy.

[Reaper16]

Heh, the poll results didn't prove as interesting as the OP may have hoped.