"Obesity is a disease not a decision"

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by lewdog

This is so incorrect. I sometimes don't eat my first meal until 4-5 pm and get all my calories in an 6-8 hour window on most days. This is called intermittent fasting. By doing this you actually DO create a fat burning window to help you stay leaner. You are incorrect when saying that eating small meals prevents fat storage.

Eating multiple meals through the day does not increase one's metabolism. Our metabolism is not regulated in hours, it is regulated in days.

People need to stop thinking about calories in hour windows but in days. It doesn't matter when you get your calories in that day, just get them to the level you need. Less to lose weight, more to gain weight.

I can even maintain a 400+ lb deadlift (I weight 180lbs) when only eating my calories at night and many times training fasted at 3 pm in the afternoon. IT IS OK TO BE HUNGRY AND FEEL HUNGRY! Feeling hungry or going long period of the day without eating does not effect one's "brain" or energy levels unless you already have an insulin problem. Most of the world's population does not but for some reason thinks being hungry makes them tired. It simply is a poor mindset and there is no physiological response of the body to back this up.

Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.

Let's compare the health/fitness level of those of us who do intermittent fasting on this board to the rest. Nutritionism is fad based. It's their job to keep the pendulum of what's healthy swinging and ever moving because it sells books and funds research. The current paradigm (which is currently shifting as evidenced by all the Warrior/Paleo/IF diets on the fringe which will likely soon become prevalent thinking for a period) is on the grazing/small portions side of things, but it won't stay that way permanently as some new fad will come out soon (like IF).

That being said, I'm not discounting the "graze all day" method of weight control and nutrition. I think it works for some people, but I also think people have a tendency to underestimate the calorie count of their "grazing." This then leads to a difficulty in losing weight.

The bottom line is that weight loss is calories in vs. calories out. There are many different ways to achieve this, Intermittent Fasting just works well for a lot of people and is extremely simple.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by NewChief

The bottom line is that weight loss is calories in vs. calories out.

Which is what all successful diets ultimately boil down to.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.

Actually, they don't. Your personal experience is your own, and has little to do with repeatable, statistical scientific study.

Again, many studies show that meal frequency has zero impact on metabolism. Here's just one, but there are lots.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/141/1/154.full.pdf+html

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.

No offense, but I bet my personal experience is slightly better than yours for people trying to maintain decent physiques while maintaining an active lifestyle.

The stuff you learned in the 90's no longer applies. Things change, as Silock presented with many research studies that have been conducted in this area. The Food pyramid is a crock of shit and that is what many dietitians still use. It isn't practical or healthy.

If you want to graze all day, fine. You consume less calories than your burn by doing it you will lose weight. However, if I choose to have all my calories at night and "starve" myself half the day but still maintain a calorie deficit, I lose weight too. IT IS ALL TOO SIMPLE!

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.

Bunch of bullshit. Pretty much every dietitian in the world used to think the food pyramid was the shit.

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.

I really don't think that's true anymore. You would read that several years ago, but I rarely see it anymore. Eating several small meals is a strategy that works for some because it keeps them from getting hungry and eating a ton of junk food. It works for some because it keeps their calories low, not because it speeds up their metabolism.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by Omaha

I really don't think that's true anymore. You would read that several years ago, but I rarely see it anymore. Eating several small meals is a strategy that works for some because it keeps them from getting hungry and eating a ton of junk food. It works for some because it keeps their calories low, not because it speeds up their metabolism.

It's possible. I've visited a dietitian in the past year, and she recommended it for me. On a personal experience level, when I was struggling (still am) and bought into the "eat less" mantra, for more than a month I ate between 500 and 800 calories a day, generally in one or two meals. And I was strictly weighing, measuring, and documenting every gram of food that I "stuffed" in my face. And over the course of that time, I lost 1 pound. The dietitian said my body was in starvation mode, so it was holding onto everything it could.

It's been very difficult. And when I talked with my doctor about it, frankly, he didn't believe me. He said "eat less."

So... I disagree that it isn't just as easy as calories in vs. calories out. Maybe it's just me, but that's my personal experience.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

It's possible. I've visited a dietitian in the past year, and she recommended it for me. On a personal experience level, when I was struggling (still am) and bought into the "eat less" mantra, for more than a month I ate between 500 and 800 calories a day, generally in one or two meals. And I was strictly weighing, measuring, and documenting every gram of food that I "stuffed" in my face. And over the course of that time, I lost 1 pound. The dietitian said my body was in starvation mode, so it was holding onto everything it could.

It's been very difficult. And when I talked with my doctor about it, frankly, he didn't believe me. He said "eat less."

So... I disagree that it isn't just as easy as calories in vs. calories out. Maybe it's just me, but that's my personal experience.

I'm with your doctor. I have a really hard time believing this. It's not that I don't believe you... I just don't see how this is even possible. Your dietitian's explanation also makes no sense, as you'd lose weight in "starvation mode" as s/he terms it.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by NewChief

I'm with your doctor. I have a really hard time believing this. It's not that I don't believe you... I just don't see how this is even possible. Your dietitian's explanation also makes no sense, as you'd lose weight in "starvation mode" as s/he terms it.

A person in a coma would lose weight on that diet.


Muscle mass, fat, etc.

[alnorth]

Odd coincidence that this thread showed up now. Yesterday, I finally decided to get serious. The last 7 or 8 years I've been at least 50 pounds overweight (now probably about 70 pounds). I'd make half-hearted attempts at losing weight, I briefly did well with a low-carb diet but the lack of variety led me to fail that diet, and I never exercised more than a month.

Now, my knees are starting to hurt and I'm having trouble sleeping. I think thats all the motivation I needed, it feels real now. I'm aiming for losing 40 and getting under 205 by the end of the year with a high protein somewhat-low carb diet and exercise.

I think obesity could theoretically be a disease if someone has some kind of bona-fide "food addiction", but I think thats rare. Most overweight people are either terrified of hunger (not realizing that occasional mild hunger is normal and healthy), eat out of boredom, or just don't care.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by NewChief

I'm with your doctor. I have a really hard time believing this. It's not that I don't believe you... I just don't see how this is even possible. Your dietitian's explanation also makes no sense, as you'd lose weight in "starvation mode" as s/he terms it.

All i ate today was a salad with ranch dressing all over it

and a bowl of oatmeal from a package with sugar and butter

and a turkey sandwich with cheese and mayonnaise on white bread

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by loochy

All i ate today was a salad with ranch dressing all over it

and a bowl of oatmeal from a package with sugar and butter

and a turkey sandwich with cheese and mayonnaise on white bread

He says he was WEIGHING his food. That indicates that he knew enough about what he was doing to realize that condiments and such contain calories. I also know that FMB is pretty into cooking, so he's knowledgeable about that sort of thing. Still, the scenario he outlines is just really bizarre and seems to defy scientific logic (as indicated by his doctor's disbelief as well).

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by NewChief

He says he was WEIGHING his food. That indicates that he knew enough about what he was doing to realize that condiments and such contain calories. I also know that FMB is pretty into cooking, so he's knowledgeable about that sort of thing. Still, the scenario he outlines is just really bizarre and seems to defy scientific logic (as indicated by his doctor's disbelief as well).

It got down to that few calories because I started at 1200-1500. And since that wasn't working, I'd just "eat less." And this is why it's frustrating. Because I know what I did, and I know the results I had. And people don't believe me. I honestly felt like a fat anorexic.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

It's possible. I've visited a dietitian in the past year, and she recommended it for me. On a personal experience level, when I was struggling (still am) and bought into the "eat less" mantra, for more than a month I ate between 500 and 800 calories a day, generally in one or two meals. And I was strictly weighing, measuring, and documenting every gram of food that I "stuffed" in my face. And over the course of that time, I lost 1 pound. The dietitian said my body was in starvation mode, so it was holding onto everything it could.

It's been very difficult. And when I talked with my doctor about it, frankly, he didn't believe me. He said "eat less."

So... I disagree that it isn't just as easy as calories in vs. calories out. Maybe it's just me, but that's my personal experience.

I watched a show from Britain online recently. They interviewed a man and a woman who couldn't lose weight. The subjects were logging their calories and only eating 700-1000 calories a day...sure enough, they were medical marvels and couldn't lose any weight despite eating like birds.

Then, the show revealed that they had hired private detectives to follow them around. Turns out that they were literally eating a thousand or more calories a day that they didn't even realize...especially when drinking.

People genuinely don't realize what we put into our bodies...even when we try to be aware of it. It's a bizarre sort of denial.