Arizona Diamondbacks @ Kansas City Royals 6/18

[petegz28]

No alnorth tonight?

[Sure-Oz]

Apparently jacobs wasn't so positive last night after the game...i got the gist of it this morning from twibell, but it was like 'oh so this is how it is in kc" the way he talked. Suprising since he's been positive since he's been here, hopefully it starts a bunch of shit with guillen throwing a cooler or something too haha.

this team needs fire....and twibell was saying teahen was practically like the rest of the team in denial about or skid, saying 7-21 isn't that bad and they still can win etc...

Jacobs pretty much felt the opp, after we got owned hte last 2 games hoping that this homestand would put us on the right track.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Apparently jacobs wasn't so positive last night after the game...i got the gist of it this morning from twibell, but it was like 'oh so this is how it is in kc" the way he talked.

huh?

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by sedated

huh?

He paraphrased saying that jacobs wasn't happy after the loss and said we won't win anything playing like this. basically had the attitude like other veteran players that have come here, like how does this happen? The way they lose, the amount of losses. He said being a marlin was much different than this. Basically no one in the lineup can back anyone up if they fail.

Not exact words but i didn't hear them from mike, from twibell

[Arsonist]

After watching the Royals for years I have come to the conclusion that this is always how it's gonna be for a very long time. We will win 5 in a row then lose a bunch in a row. This team is mediocre and will not get any better because all we do is draft sub-par over hyped guys ( Gordon ) and broke down "power hitters " ( guillen, Jacobs ).
As of right now everyone on the team can get the **** out cept Meche, Grienkie and butler.

One last thing, how doe's Hochaver put up one of the best pitching perfomances of the season for any team in baseball last friday then turn around 5 days later and do the complete opposite? Boggles my mind.

[Sure-Oz]

Apparently Tim Kurkjan has said that one start hochevar throws 88-91 and then another start 92-95 and said someone in the royals or a scout said they can't figure him out. Why the fluctuation on velocity...

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Arsonist

One last thing, how doe's Hochaver put up one of the best pitching perfomances of the season for any team in baseball last friday then turn around 5 days later and do the complete opposite? Boggles my mind.

Because that performance had more to do with the ineptitude of the Reds than it did the quality of Hochevar's stuff.

In other words, when you're getting shut out and then you go down on 4 ****ing pitches in the 9th, this screams complete incompetence and quit.

No ML team should ever allow a pitcher to throw a CG on 80 pitches; it's a joke.

Hochevar was and is a mediocre pitcher. No need to get too excited.

[Arsonist]

I find it funny when Jacobs or Guillen get pissed off and go off about how the team does when they are 2 of the worst players we have. Guillen has no buisness playing in the field cause he runs like a ****ing cripple and Jacobs IF he hits the ball also can't run for shit so IMO those ****ers need to sit the **** down and shut the **** up and be grateful someone actually pays there ass to still play baseball

[Arsonist]

No dick

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Arsonist

no... Dick

thought i deleted that quick enough

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Your passion for the cock, not the team.

I see what you're saying on one hand about the acquired talent, but the problem is that we were paying real money. This isn't the '04 Royals version, where we we armed with a ceiling of 3 mil. per to try to lure talent. We spent enough money that we could and should be expecting results.

As Chiefs fans well know, building a team cannot solely be done through the draft. Though this needs to be your foundation, other avenues must be utilized to get optimum results.

You don't start with free agents and then fill out the team with draft picks. You build the team from within and then fill in the holes. And until Moore's picks starting hitting the majors, the team is one big giant gaping hole, with one notable exception (Grienke...).

As for the money they're dishing out, they have to overpay second tier players just to get them to come here at all. That's just reality.

These discussions are a year or two too early. That's the real point I'm making. Baseball is not a quick-fix sport like football.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You don't start with free agents and then fill out the team with draft picks. You build the team from within and then fill in the holes. And until Moore's picks starting hitting the majors, the team is one big giant gaping hole, with one notable exception (Grienke...).

As for the money they're dishing out, they have to overpay second tier players just to get them to come here at all. That's just reality.

These discussions are a year or two too early. That's the real point I'm making. Baseball is not a quick-fix sport like football.

Perhaps on the timing. Still not giving Moore a pass on the mishandling of funds.

Furthermore, we've seen the fruits of his first pick, Hochevar--this was Moore because A.) it was his selection or B.) he foolishly didn't voice an opinion on the organization's most important draft. Either way, he failed.

Let's hope subsequent picks perform far better, since we're in desperate need of star power. By all accounts, the Royals have been drafting well of late, but, with baseball, who really knows...

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Perhaps on the timing. Still not giving Moore a pass on the mishandling of funds.

Furthermore, we've seen the fruits of his first pick, Hochevar--this was Moore because A.) it was his selection or B.) he foolishly didn't voice an opinion on the organization's most important draft. Either way, he failed.

Let's hope subsequent picks perform far better, since we're in desperate need of star power. By all accounts, the Royals have been drafting well of late, but, with baseball, who really knows...

Hochevar wasn't his pick, regardless of whether he had some input on the selection or not (and he's always said he did not). And his opinion on the pick at that time wouldn't or shouldn't have counted for anything anyway. He may have had opinions on individual draftees, but he wouldn't have known anything specific about the Royals as an organization or had time to assess the talent already in place. Not days after being hired. His first draft was 2007, and his first pick Moustakas.

As for "giving him a pass on mishandling funds", I'd say they've pretty much gotten what they paid for. I thought they were a 75-win team heading into the year, and they're on about a 72-win pace right now. People got excited when they started hot, but things always even out in baseball. They probably won't finish the year as good as they were in the first month and a half of the season, but they probably won't be as bad as they were in the last month, either. And there's a ton of ball left to be played. Hell, they're not even halfway through the year.

Patience. See how it plays out over the next three months, and then go from there.