Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Bowe
Charles
Albert
Waters
Richardson
Dorsey
Edwards
Hali
Johnson
Flowers
Carr
McGraw
Colquitt

Then the backups..
Gillberry
Studebacker
Croyle
Cox
Williams

Show me a team that doesn't have a majority of the team left over from the previous regime 2 years later (really less than that so far).

See playmakers:

Arenas, McCluster, and Moeaki. As well as Berry, Lewis and Shaun Smith (FA).

No team, no team just shit cans it's roster and starts with 22 new starters.

This argument is ridiculous.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Show me a team that doesn't have a majority of the team left over from the previous regime 2 years later (really less than that so far).

See playmakers:

Arenas, McCluster, and Moeaki. As well as Berry, Lewis and Shaun Smith (FA).

No team, no team just shit cans it's roster and starts with 22 new starters.

This argument is ridiculous.

You're like a broken record.

Detroit and Tampa Bay for starters.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The 2009 Chiefs draft remains an abortion. Jackson and Magee did not suit up today. Succop missed a FG, proving he's not perfect.

Cassel HAS sucked for the most part. Today, he was very good, due some great game-planning by Weis.

I loved the 2010 draft, the TJ acquisition and the hiring of Crennel & especially, Weis.

But the majority of talent was here before Pioli arrived.

Hey, I won't argue that a lot of talent was here prior to Pioli. I said all along that Herm Edwards was a great talent evaluator and was willing to go young. That alone, made me a fan.

Even with all that 'talent' The Chiefs went 2-10 in their final season under Herm Edwards. I know, I know, they were 'young'. Like the draft class this year...who are certainly contributing.

And, Hali is a 'scrub' right. Because he is not a starting caliber player, and would be 'horrible' in the 3-4. I mean, scrubs get three sacks all the time.

Pioli won't be right every single time. No GM, no coach, no player...... even the best ones are perfect.

I won't dispute that Cassel looked good due to good game planning. (Similar to a guy like Orton.) Game planning and surrounding talent makes average starting QB's look good, and good starting QB's look great.

But, one game does not a season or career make. I think Cassel turned the corner today. No, he isn't a 'franchise' QB. But, Weis is learning what he does well. That will help him to call a game to the best of Cassel's ability.

I do think it's funny that you still want to pick apart what Pioli has done. The Chiefs are 3-0 and had their MOST dominant win thus far this season. It is hard to find a single weakness in that win. But, you still have to point out what you dissagree with.

[the Talking Can]

yeah, you're the guy who got everything right


go **** yourself, you're ruining a good day


hilarious who shows up to cry on our best win in ages

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah, you're the guy who got everything right


go **** yourself, you're ruining a good day


hilarious who shows up to cry on our best win in ages

Do you think the endless bitching for 18 months around here might have ruined the entire board for 18 f-ing months?!?!

The only thing I got right was having the humility to wait, see what developed, and not pretend that I have any idea what it takes to build a *team*.

I wasn't right about anything else, because I never claimed to be. I took a wait-and-see approach. They could have screwed everything up. I don't know how to build a franchise.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jAZ

There were a whole lot of people who lost patience with Scott Pioli starting after the hiring of Todd Haley and the 1st pick in the 2009 draft.

The Haley Hire sucked.
The Tyson Jackson pick sucked.
The Cassel/Vrabel trade sucked.
The whole 2009 Draft sucked.
Tamba Hali sucks.
The Dexter McCluster pick sucked.
The Tony Moeaki pick sucked.
The moves on the OL sucked.
The majority of the 2010 draft sucked.
Playing Thomas Jones so much sucks.

What else am I missing?

I think the big one is that Scott Pioli was a dumbass for caring about "the right 53." And making a lot of very unpopular moves in the process.

Ther reason the Chiefs are 3-0 and the Cowboys are 1-2 is that they're treating every single game like it's the Super Bowl.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think the big one is that Scott Pioli was a dumbass for caring about "the right 53." And making a lot of very unpopular moves in the process.

Ther reason the Chiefs are 3-0 and the Cowboys are 1-2 is that they're treating every single game like it's the Super Bowl.

I agree that would be silly. But, the reality is that even the strongest homers, thought that the Chiefs would be 2-1 at the best. And, there were some who were 'sure' that the Chiefs would be 0-3.

The point isn't that the Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl. But, the Chiefs are a rebuilding team that is 3-0. Not bad. Not bad at all.

[keg in kc]

Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go.

Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go.

Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.

I don't think anybody thinks that.

But the fact is that the Chiefs have won more games than some expected and are only 1-2 wins away from winning more games than a lot of the pessimists thought.

The Chiefs are undoubtedly better. This season, that's all any reasonable fan should have hoped for.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think anybody thinks that.

But the fact is that the Chiefs have won more games than some expected and are only 1-2 wins away from winning more games than a lot of the pessimists thought.

The Chiefs are undoubtedly better. This season, that's all any reasonable fan should have hoped for.

Isn't that all that anyone said they wanted? To see improvement, a sign that things were headed in the right direction? Well, ugh, guess what.

[chiefsnorth]

I had faith in Pioli all along. Like most people I had doubts Cassel was going to be our guy, and about some of the personnel moves, but it just goes to show you that you can't judge a new regime for about 2 years with any accuracy.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go.

Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.

Agreed. But it's pretty clear from what we know now that a LOT of the reactions of the last 18 months was premature. Acknowledging that simple fact isn't itself premature.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go.

Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.

Yep. My only beef was and still is Cassel. The way we're playing right now, a QB of even Orton's stature could help us win a round-one game.

[grandllama]

There needs to be another option. Yes I over hated last year. I'm still cautious about Pioli, but I love what Haley is doing this year.

Considering his coaching got 100% better after the incident, I wish he would have flipped off GBlowfish in week one last year.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by grandllama

There needs to be another option. Yes I over hated last year. I'm still cautious about Pioli, but I love what Haley is doing this year.

Considering his coaching got 100% better after the incident, I wish he would have flipped off GBlowfish in week one last year.

That's actually more of what I meant than what I said in the final option. It's not like we've won a super bowl. If I could change the last option to this, I would.