Chiefs The QB Reid chooses to lead the Chiefs - Page 14

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Any player in this draft could easily be described as a reach at 1/1, so we need to take the QB.

I was unable to follow college football this past Fall to the extent I have in the past, so I'm am currently unable to argue effectively against this point.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The QB whom we select here will be more talented than any QB whom we could get via trade or FA, so I see it as a no-brainer.

Really? I know a bunch of CPer's love Geno, but when I watched him on a few occasions, I saw nothing that said "Franchise QB Savior". Same with Bray. I only watched a few quarters of Wilson and saw nothing of Glennon.

The bottom line for me is that I'd hate to see the Chiefs take a QB because they NEED a QB, then end up with Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert.

That, to me, would suck and further set back the franchise.

EagleRob · 01-05-2013, 05:06 PM

One thing to consider is whoever gets drafted in this spot will command a $50+ million dollar deal over seven years. It's not a spot to just take a guy that doesn't fit the system, especially a QB. You are looking for a difference-maker at any position and Reid will take the best player on the board at QB, OT, LB, DT, or DB in that order if and only if 1) he is worthy of a franchise player status, 2) he can't find a trade partner willing to trade down for multiple picks.

jd1020 · 01-05-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob

One thing to consider is whoever gets drafted in this spot will command a $50+ million dollar deal over seven years.

You don't follow football much do you?

EagleRob · 01-05-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You don't follow football much do you?

I watch a lot of football but don't remember what a 1/1 pick commands in terms of $$. Been a while.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-05-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob

I watch a lot of football but don't remember what a 1/1 pick commands in terms of $$. Been a while.

Andrew Luck got 5 years $22 million last year. $22 million total. New CBA has a rookie slotting scale now. That's why you're going to start seeing QB's fly off the shelf in the top 10 picks.

jd1020 · 01-05-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Andrew Luck got 5 years $22 million last year. $22 million total. New CBA has a rookie slotting scale now. That's why you're going to start seeing QB's fly off the shelf in the top 10 picks.

4 years.

Both Newton and Luck got 4 years 22M.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Andrew Luck got 5 years $22 million last year. $22 million total. New CBA has a rookie slotting scale now. That's why you're going to start seeing QB's fly off the shelf in the top 10 picks.

But conversely, Gabbert, Locker and Ponder all went in the first back in 2011 and none have been even average. Gabbert and Locker have been downright terrible at times. Ponder was called the worst QB in the league by Jimmy Johnson earlier this season.

**RealSNR** · 01-05-2013, 05:14 PM

I am pretty damn confident Reid will draft a QB at #1.

That whole Q&A thing, "Andy, you're going to a team without a QB WHATEVER WILL YOU DO???"

"Well, they have the #1 overall pick..."

The guy is thinking QB. He was thinking QB all season in Philly, assuming his team would need to draft a new guy. He's going to be thinking QB here.

We're getting a QB at #1. Bank on it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I am pretty damn confident Reid will draft a QB at #1.

That whole Q&A thing, "Andy, you're going to a team without a QB WHATEVER WILL YOU DO???"

"Well, they have the #1 overall pick..."

The guy is thinking QB. He was thinking QB all season in Philly, assuming his team would need to draft a new guy. He's going to be thinking QB here.

We're getting a QB at #1. Bank on it.

That doesn't mean it's a great pick or a pick worthy of #1. It's just the usual Chiefs "reach".

Oh, we need a defensive lineman so let's get Freeman and Sims and Downey and Savaii and Dorsey and Jackson.

**RealSNR** · 01-05-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That doesn't mean it's a great pick or a pick worthy of #1. It's just the usual Chiefs "reach".

Oh, we need a defensive lineman so let's get Freeman and Sims and Downey and Savaii and Dorsey and Jackson.

Dude, the Chiefs were drafting for this mythical "value" you crave when they took Sims and Dorsey. They were absolutely worth those picks. Those guys were thought to be studs, and more than worth top 10 picks.

And when have the Chiefs ever reached for a valuable position?

There's a huge difference between QB and 5-technique DT.

I can't believe you're making this argument.

Chiefshrink · 01-05-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Dude, the Chiefs were drafting for this mythical "value" you crave when they took Sims and Dorsey. They were absolutely worth those picks. Those guys were thought to be studs, and more than worth top 10 picks.

And when have the Chiefs ever reached for a valuable position?

There's a huge difference between QB and 5-technique DT.

I can't believe you're making this argument.

Because he is a dumb motherf**ker

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Because he is a dumb motherf**ker

Shut the **** up.

You know less about football than you do psychology, which is shocking in and of itself, Dumbass.

EagleRob · 01-05-2013, 05:15 PM

Thanks for the update. Point is, the pick is a fairly significant financial and symbolic commitment to build a team around. Reid won't take it lightly. He will draft a differene maker or trade down. If his QB isnt out there he won't just take the best QB if he's not deserving of the 1/1.

jd1020 · 01-05-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob

Thanks for the update. Point is, the pick is a fairly significant financial and symbolic commitment to build a team around. Reid won't take it lightly. He will draft a differene maker or trade down. If his QB isnt out there he won't just take the best QB if he's not deserving of the 1/1.

5M a year is not a significant financial investment. Most of it comes in a signing bonus and you are looking at a 2-3M cap hit.

EagleRob · 01-05-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

5M a year is not a significant financial investment.

JD, I'm giving some insight on how Reid approaches his drafts - I've lived them for 14 years. I don't get too much into the $$ value of the slots. Don't care too much about that aspect. What is important is the value of the 1/1 in terms of what it means to the team from a perception and image perspective. Does he maximize the value of a difference maker or trade down to stretch it into multiple high quality players. That is the question as I see it. I dont see a Reid QB on the board this year.

View Poll Results: I will only be happy if Andy Reid selects...
A QB with the 1st pick of the draft	167	48.69%
Trades back and selects a QB in the 1st round	39	11.37%
A QB in the 2nd round of the draft	17	4.96%
A QB in the mid to late rounds of the draft	2	0.58%
A free agent, or trade from another team at QB	10	2.92%
Michael Vick	7	2.04%
Kevin Kolb	2	0.58%
He's Andy ****ing Reid. He knows more than I do. Whoever he takes, I'm good.	94	27.41%
Gaz loves defense, but I want him to select our QB	5	1.46%
Voters: 343. You may not vote on this poll

01-05-2013, 05:06 PM	#2
EagleRob Living Vicariously Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Casino cash: $10004900	One thing to consider is whoever gets drafted in this spot will command a $50+ million dollar deal over seven years. It's not a spot to just take a guy that doesn't fit the system, especially a QB. You are looking for a difference-maker at any position and Reid will take the best player on the board at QB, OT, LB, DT, or DB in that order if and only if 1) he is worthy of a franchise player status, 2) he can't find a trade partner willing to trade down for multiple picks.
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01-05-2013, 05:15 PM	#13
EagleRob Living Vicariously Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Casino cash: $10004900	Thanks for the update. Point is, the pick is a fairly significant financial and symbolic commitment to build a team around. Reid won't take it lightly. He will draft a differene maker or trade down. If his QB isnt out there he won't just take the best QB if he's not deserving of the 1/1.
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