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Old 02-08-2013, 01:19 PM   #1
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"Whether we stay there OR trade back".

That certainly doesn't scream "QB #1 overall".
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:32 PM   #2
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"Whether we stay there OR trade back".

That certainly doesn't scream "QB #1 overall".
You're looking for reasons to NOT believe just as much as people who are looking for reasons to believe.

Reid saying that they might stay or might not stay where they are means nothing. It's just coach speak that we here from every coach/GM every year.

His description of what he wants in a QB doesn't necessarily mean Geno, but it does imply that these "leftover" QB's isn't what Reid is after. Imo, his description of what he's after in a QB is more telling than "i might or might not move back"
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:35 PM   #3
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You're looking for reasons to NOT believe just as much as people who are looking for reasons to believe.
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Reid saying that they might stay or might not stay where they are means nothing. It's just coach speak that we here from every coach/GM every year.
Uh, no.

Coaches with the top pick in the draft that NEED a QB don't play games.

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His description of what he wants in a QB doesn't necessarily mean Geno, but it does imply that these "leftover" QB's isn't what Reid is after. Imo, his description of what he's after in a QB is more telling than "i might or might not move back"
You're misinterpreting his words.

That is NOT what he said, at all. He said that footwork, throwing, etc. don't mean much to him. What DOES matter is that the QB elevates the play of those around him.

Again, he also said very clearly that he'll do what's best for the Chiefs, whether that's staying at #1 or moving back.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:39 PM   #4
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That is NOT what he said, at all. He said that footwork, throwing, etc. don't mean much to him. What DOES matter is that the QB elevates the play of those around him.

Again, he also said very clearly that he'll do what's best for the Chiefs, whether that's staying at #1 or moving back.
Bold is not accurate. He was alluding to all of the particulars that add up to making a QB effective. But he was giving an otherwise reductive answer that he wants a QB to win games and elevate the play of others.

He was being purposefully pointed because he noted that he was going to (paraphrasing) "make this quick."
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:07 PM   #5
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Bold is not accurate. He was alluding to all of the particulars that add up to making a QB effective. But he was giving an otherwise reductive answer that he wants a QB to win games and elevate the play of others.

He was being purposefully pointed because he noted that he was going to (paraphrasing) "make this quick."
Here's exactly what he said:

The skill that is most important is that he wins football games.

The great ones makes everyone around them better. They make everyone's game come up.

Look, I'm making it short and sweet for you. We're not talking about the intangibles that go into it, we're not talking about the reads on time, we're not talking about the footwork, the arm strength, the hands, all those things.

The bottom line is that guy doesn't have to the prettiest, but does he give you an opportunity to win football games and does he allow his players around him to raise their game up and go do that.

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Old 02-08-2013, 03:40 PM   #6
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Here's exactly what he said:

The skill that is most important is that he wins football games.

The great ones makes everyone around them better. They make everyone's game come up.

Look, I'm making it short and sweet for you. We're not talking about the intangibles that go into it, we're not talking about the reads on time, we're not talking about the footwork, the arm strength, the hands, all those things.

The bottom line is that guy doesn't have to the prettiest, but does he give you an opportunity to win football games and does he allow his players around him to raise their game up and go do that.

He's not discounting the importance of footwork, etc., at all, IMO. He's simply "making it short and sweet" in his response.

There are obviously a hell of a lot of specific details that allow a QB to win games and elevate the play of others.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:34 PM   #7
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He's not discounting the importance of footwork, etc., at all, IMO. He's simply "making it short and sweet" in his response.

There are obviously a hell of a lot of specific details that allow a QB to win games and elevate the play of others.
I took his entire response to mean that the "prettiest girl in the room" isn't necessarily what he looks for when evaluating quarterbacks.

Now, that could mean any number of things but it seems like he won't shy away from a guy with warts, as long as he's a winner and leader of men.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:48 PM   #8
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Here's exactly what he said:

The skill that is most important is that he wins football games.

The great ones makes everyone around them better. They make everyone's game come up.

Look, I'm making it short and sweet for you. We're not talking about the intangibles that go into it, we're not talking about the reads on time, we're not talking about the footwork, the arm strength, the hands, all those things.

The bottom line is that guy doesn't have to the prettiest, but does he give you an opportunity to win football games and does he allow his players around him to raise their game up and go do that.

Sounds like Geno Smith to me.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:58 PM   #9
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Here's exactly what he said:

The skill that is most important is that he wins football games.

The great ones makes everyone around them better. They make everyone's game come up.

Look, I'm making it short and sweet for you. We're not talking about the intangibles that go into it, we're not talking about the reads on time, we're not talking about the footwork, the arm strength, the hands, all those things.

The bottom line is that guy doesn't have to the prettiest, but does he give you an opportunity to win football games and does he allow his players around him to raise their game up and go do that.

so now we're getting tebow? FML
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:36 PM   #10
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Here's exactly what he said:

The skill that is most important is that he wins football games.

The great ones makes everyone around them better. They make everyone's game come up.

Look, I'm making it short and sweet for you. We're not talking about the intangibles that go into it, we're not talking about the reads on time, we're not talking about the footwork, the arm strength, the hands, all those things.

The bottom line is that guy doesn't have to the prettiest, but does he give you an opportunity to win football games and does he allow his players around him to raise their game up and go do that.


yeah, bolded part. Listened to a couple more times and it really sounds like he was starting to say hand size, not the hands. Not that it's really a big difference, but..... not saying it's the aliens, but it's the aliens.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:58 PM   #11
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Here's exactly what he said:

The skill that is most important is that he wins football games.

The great ones makes everyone around them better. They make everyone's game come up.

Look, I'm making it short and sweet for you. We're not talking about the intangibles that go into it, we're not talking about the reads on time, we're not talking about the footwork, the arm strength, the hands, all those things.

The bottom line is that guy doesn't have to the prettiest, but does he give you an opportunity to win football games and does he allow his players around him to raise their game up and go do that.

And if THAT doesnt SCREEEAM "give me Smith YESTERDAY"...then nothing in this ****ing world ever will.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:01 AM   #12
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All I personally know of Smith is the K-State game and the Pinstripe Bowl. He was less than impressive in both.

I've read more negatives about him than positives, outside of this site, of course.

The biggest knock is that he's a crybaby. True or not, that's a stigma he's carrying among scouts and agents.
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Here's exactly what he said:

The skill that is most important is that he wins football games.

The great ones makes everyone around them better. They make everyone's game come up.

Look, I'm making it short and sweet for you. We're not talking about the intangibles that go into it, we're not talking about the reads on time, we're not talking about the footwork, the arm strength, the hands, all those things.

The bottom line is that guy doesn't have to the prettiest, but does he give you an opportunity to win football games and does he allow his players around him to raise their game up and go do that.

So... he wants Tebow?
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