Royals Do you want to see Miguel Cabrera win MLBs Triple Crown? - Page 8

Carlota69 · 10-04-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

heh, Dude does something no one else has done in 45 years and people immediately want to downplay and dump all over it.

I dont think anyone is downplaying the Triple Crown. Its pretty awesome. What is being downplayed is Trouts season: Dude has accomplished a lot of things not done since the 20's, 30's and 40's. Names like Ty Cobb, Roger Hornsby and Joe Dimaggio are listed in his accomplishments.

FIRST MAJOR LEAGUER EVER TO…

Steal 45 bases, score 125 runs and hit 30 home runs in a single season.
Hit .320 or above with 30 HRs and 45 SBs in a single season.

ELITE COMPANY…

Trout has joined Ted Williams, Mel Ott and Alex Rodriguez as only players to hit .320 or above with 30+ HRs during their 20-year-old seasons.
He is vying to be one of only five players in the Live Ball Era (since 1920) to score at least 130 runs in less than 140 games: Al Simmons – 152 runs in 138 games in 1930, Rogers Hornsby – 133 runs in 138 games in 1925, Joe DiMaggio – 132 runs in 138 games in 1936 and Jimmie Foxx – 130 runs in 124 games in 1939.
At 21, he is the youngest player to steal 40 bases in a season since Ty Cobb in 1907.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...26414&c_id=ana

Deberg_1990 · 10-04-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

I dont think anyone is downplaying the Triple Crown. Its pretty awesome. What is being downplayed is Trouts season: Dude has accomplished a lot of things not done since the 20's, 30's and 40's. Names like Ty Cobb, Roger Hornsby and Joe Dimaggio are listed in his accomplishments.

FIRST MAJOR LEAGUER EVER TO…

Steal 45 bases, score 125 runs and hit 30 home runs in a single season.
Hit .320 or above with 30 HRs and 45 SBs in a single season.

ELITE COMPANY…

Trout has joined Ted Williams, Mel Ott and Alex Rodriguez as only players to hit .320 or above with 30+ HRs during their 20-year-old seasons.
He is vying to be one of only five players in the Live Ball Era (since 1920) to score at least 130 runs in less than 140 games: Al Simmons – 152 runs in 138 games in 1930, Rogers Hornsby – 133 runs in 138 games in 1925, Joe DiMaggio – 132 runs in 138 games in 1936 and Jimmie Foxx – 130 runs in 124 games in 1939.
At 21, he is the youngest player to steal 40 bases in a season since Ty Cobb in 1907.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...26414&c_id=ana

You can really dig throughout MLB history had pull numbers, twist them any way you want.

Jose Canseco had a 40 SBs 40 HR season once.

Trout had a great season, and will have many more. But it wasnt as special as the triple crown. Sorry.

Carlota69 · 10-04-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

You can really dig throughout MLB history had pull numbers, twist them any way you want.

Jose Canseco had a 40 SBs 40 HR season once.

Trout had a great season, and will have many more. But it wasnt as special as the triple crown. Sorry.

Im not twisitng any numbers or pulling them. This is an article from today (or maybe yesterday). Nonetheless, there are many people who feel Trout deserves to win based on things like what is above. And of course, there are those in the Cabrera camp.

As someone pointed out, theres really no point in arguing the matter, one of these guys is the MVP, (And really both are--they both excelled beyond anyone else when it came to their job)and really both arguements are valid. Its just a matter of which arguement gets sold more...

DJ's left nut · 10-04-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

You can really dig throughout MLB history had pull numbers, twist them any way you want.

Jose Canseco had a 40 SBs 40 HR season once.

Trout had a great season, and will have many more. But it wasnt as special as the triple crown. Sorry.

But Jose only batted .307 when he did that. He also only scored 120 runs. I mean sure, he only drove in 40 more runs than Trout did this season, but that's nowhere near as impressive because he didn't bat over .320 or score 125 runs (lets not get into the discussion of his higher walk rate leveling out the respective OBPs though).

Same with Barry Bonds in 1996. He only batted .308 and scored 122 runs though again he drove in 45 more runs and got on base at a staggering .461 clip because anytime he wasn't driving in a run, he was probably getting walked. Oh, and he finished fifth in the MVP voting that season.

SURELY SUCH A TRAVESTY NEVER AGAIN OCCURED!!! Well, then there was that time that A-Rod hit 42 and stole 46 but only batted .310 and scored 123 runs (while again driving in 40 more runs than Trout). His reward? A ninth place finish in the MVP voting.

Oh and then there is Vladdy's 39/40 season w/ a .336 BA (4th) or Beltran's 38/42 season where he scored 120+ and only got CS 3 times in 45 attempts (incredible, really, and NR) and countless other seasons where guys just missed the quaint little endpoints that the Angels fans and the breathless Trout supporters have drawn for him.

But again, What Trout has accomplished this season is clearly unprecedented because we set the endpoint for BA at .320, a totally not arbitrary number, as opposed to the arbitrary nature of the triple crown stats.

I'm not angry - I'm just getting a kick at how incredibly awful you are at defending the positions that other people have been kind enough to put together for you.

Don't ever change, Angels fans. Please don't ever change.

Sfeihc · 10-04-2012, 12:00 PM

I was very impressed with the Royals crowd last night in their acknowledgement of Cabrera's feat. Everyone I talked with yesterday i wished them a "Happy Triple Crown Day"! Cabrera is the Triple Crown MVP. Haters gonna hate, they always do. Go get 'em Tigers!

DJ's left nut · 10-04-2012, 12:37 PM

HURRAY!!!!

I love the 'fun with selective end-points' game.

Keep on cutting your lines off just above where Elsbury was last year while cutting them just below where Elsbury exceeded him last year. That's a pretty solid way to make an 'historical' argument out of a season that was most certainly not without precedent.

Carlota69 · 10-04-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

HURRAY!!!!

I love the 'fun with selective end-points' game.

Keep on cutting your lines off just above where Elsbury was last year while cutting them just below where Elsbury exceeded him last year. That's a pretty solid way to make an 'historical' argument out of a season that was most certainly not without precedent.

Oh sure, thats why when Ellsbury did what he did, everyone touted all these accomplishments..cool...

Youre kind of an angry guy huh? Well, I guess Id be angry too if I was someones left nut and had to suffocate underwear and crotch sweat all day...

Lex Luthor · 10-04-2012, 01:26 PM

It's really pointless to argue about it any more. The season is over.

That is, it's over for Trout. Cabrera still has work to do.

DJ's left nut · 10-04-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

Oh sure, thats why when Ellsbury did what he did, everyone touted all these accomplishments..cool...

Youre kind of an angry guy huh? Well, I guess Id be angry too if I was someones left nut and had to suffocate underwear and crotch sweat all day...

Really, logon smack?

I mean, it's not like I accused you of being angry because you have a militant lesbian as your avatar or anything.

I've instead continued to point out that the season you continue to tout as being without precedent most assuredly isn't. I could see how that might frustrate you a little.

But please, keep on telling us how Miggy's triple crown isn't relevant because they're arbitrary stats (even though it's actually an honor based on direct relativity), whereas Mike Trout's season is remarkably special because he scored 6 more runs than Ellsbury and stole a few more bases while hitting fewer HRs, striking out more often and driving in fewer runs despite batting in the same spot in the order.

I know typing SECOND MAJOR LEAGUER IN 12 MONTHS TO...

Steal 35 bases, score 115 runs and hit 30 HRs in a single season
Hit .320 with 30 HRs and 35 SBs in a single season.

Isn't nearly as impressive...

KC_Connection · 10-05-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

HURRAY!!!!

I love the 'fun with selective end-points' game.

Keep on cutting your lines off just above where Elsbury was last year while cutting them just below where Elsbury exceeded him last year. That's a pretty solid way to make an 'historical' argument out of a season that was most certainly not without precedent.

Trout's 2012: .422 wOBA, 175 wRC+,
Ellsbury's 2011: .402 wOBA, 150 wRC+

Bit of a difference there offensively, it seems. A major one.

DJ's left nut · 10-04-2012, 02:01 PM

And for the record, Brainiac, if you ever need it, I could put together a thesis on slapping Carlota around. I pretty much have to do it any time she thinks she can talk baseball with the grown ups.

Carlota69 · 10-04-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And for the record, Brainiac, if you ever need it, I could put together a thesis on slapping Carlota around. I pretty much have to do it any time she thinks she can talk baseball with the grown ups.

Whatever makes you feel more manly darlin'...God knows you need all the help you can get.

DJ's left nut · 10-04-2012, 03:02 PM

Just offering to help out a fellow Truther, that's all.

Everyone knows that us nuts that don't think Trout just had an all-timer of a season are just closet Tigers honks.

If you're lucky, maybe fangraphs or Jeff Passan will go ahead and feed you something else to help you out with your next round of sterling baseball analysis.

"But, but, but...Peter Gammons said!!!!!"

Good ol' Angels fans. It's like the safety school for baseball fans in LA that can't pull off Dodger fandom. Don't worry, Arte will break out his checkbook and make everything better...

Lex Luthor · 10-04-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

Im not twisitng any numbers or pulling them. This is an article from today (or maybe yesterday). Nonetheless, there are many people who feel Trout deserves to win based on things like what is above. And of course, there are those in the Cabrera camp.

As someone pointed out, theres really no point in arguing the matter, one of these guys is the MVP, (And really both are--they both excelled beyond anyone else when it came to their job)and really both arguements are valid. Its just a matter of which arguement gets sold more...

Again, you don't seem to understand that the "M" in MVP stands for MOST valuable player. They can't BOTH be the MOST valuable player. Only one of them can.

And it isn't Mike (.284 down the stretch) Trout.

KC_Connection · 10-05-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Everyone knows that us nuts that don't think Trout just had an all-timer of a season are just closet Tigers honks.

Trout's 2012 season was actually better (in terms of both offensive rate stats and overall value) than anything Ken Griffey Jr. ever did in a single season over his entire career.

But sure, let's just keep pretending it wasn't anything special and downplaying it because TRIPLE CROWN!

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Sfeihc It's All Good Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $10010133	I was very impressed with the Royals crowd last night in their acknowledgement of Cabrera's feat. Everyone I talked with yesterday i wished them a "Happy Triple Crown Day"! Cabrera is the Triple Crown MVP. Haters gonna hate, they always do. Go get 'em Tigers!
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10-04-2012, 12:37 PM	#6
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2789099	HURRAY!!!! I love the 'fun with selective end-points' game. Keep on cutting your lines off just above where Elsbury was last year while cutting them just below where Elsbury exceeded him last year. That's a pretty solid way to make an 'historical' argument out of a season that was most certainly not without precedent. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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Lex Luthor MVP Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $10022775	It's really pointless to argue about it any more. The season is over. That is, it's over for Trout. Cabrera still has work to do.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2789099	And for the record, Brainiac, if you ever need it, I could put together a thesis on slapping Carlota around. I pretty much have to do it any time she thinks she can talk baseball with the grown ups. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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10-04-2012, 03:02 PM	#13
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2789099	Just offering to help out a fellow Truther, that's all. Everyone knows that us nuts that don't think Trout just had an all-timer of a season are just closet Tigers honks. If you're lucky, maybe fangraphs or Jeff Passan will go ahead and feed you something else to help you out with your next round of sterling baseball analysis. "But, but, but...Peter Gammons said!!!!!" Good ol' Angels fans. It's like the safety school for baseball fans in LA that can't pull off Dodger fandom. Don't worry, Arte will break out his checkbook and make everything better... __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
Posts: 60,689