Bryce Petty

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not sure what you are trying to say but passing up on QBs because you got a UDFA from the last class before is about the dumbest thing anyone could do.

Wasting a draft pick on a QB who is not going to beat out the UDFA rookie for the third QB spot on the roster is about the dumbest thing anyone could do.

There isn't a QB in the 2014 draft class that has Bray's ceiling as a potential starting NFL level QB. (And I was nowhere near a "let's draft Tyler Bray" fan last year.)

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Wasting a draft pick on a QB who is not going to beat out the UDFA rookie for the third QB spot on the roster is about the dumbest thing anyone could do.

There isn't a QB in the 2014 draft class that has Bray's ceiling as a potential starting NFL level QB. (And I was nowhere near a "let's draft Tyler Bray" fan last year.)

Thank you!

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Wasting a draft pick on a QB who is not going to beat out the UDFA rookie for the third QB spot on the roster is about the dumbest thing anyone could do.

There isn't a QB in the 2014 draft class that has Bray's ceiling as a potential starting NFL level QB. (And I was nowhere near a "let's draft Tyler Bray" fan last year.)

You know what ceiling stands for? Someone who hasn't reached their potential and potentially never will.

Bray went undrafted for a reason. Who the **** goes all in on a UDFA?

But you're right. Lets go get a guard. That's the key to winning the SB right there.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You know what ceiling stands for? Someone who hasn't reached their potential and potentially never will.

Bray went undrafted for a reason. Who the **** goes all in on a UDFA?

But you're right. Lets go get a guard. That's the key to winning the SB right there.

Nobody is going "all in" on a UDFA. He's our third stringer that hasn't suited up for a real game. That's a freaking project, which an UDFA should be.

And getting a guard to better protect your incumbent QB is a lot smarter than drafting a QB who isn't going to beat out your third stringer UDFA who's standing on the sideline in street clothes.

And Bray had the tools to be a first round guy. All QB's dropped in this past draft for whatever reason. But I'll tell you straight up, none of them are better prospects than guys like Geno and Barkley. And Bray does have better tools than any of them.

Jesus...get your panties in a knot because someone doesn't want to draft a mediocre dillweed that is going to get placed on the practice squad at best. There isn't a guy in this draft that has a snowballs chance in hell of beating out Smith, Daniel or Bray in the next three years.

But get all pissy about potentially getting an All-Pro level guard to upgrade what has been the weakest position on the team so far in the 2013 season.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There isn't a guy in this draft that has a snowballs chance in hell of beating out Smith, Daniel or Bray in the next three years.

Are you ****ing serious?

Smith is on a 2 year contract. There's no guarantee he's extended. Daniel is ****ing garbage and, iirc, can be cut next year without a penny owed. And Bray hasn't shown dick, yet.

This team still needs a QB. I'd rather "waste" a pick on a guy that didn't have a snowballs chance in hell (Russell Wilson) than pick a ****ing guard.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Are you ****ing serious?

Smith is on a 2 year contract. There's no guarantee he's extended. Daniel is ****ing garbage and, iirc, can be cut next year without a penny owed. And Bray hasn't shown dick, yet.

This team still needs a QB. I'd rather "waste" a pick on a guy that didn't have a snowballs chance in hell (Russell Wilson) than pick a ****ing guard.

Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

There is NEVER one right?

Just like there's never a Ryan Tannehill, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, EJ Manuel, Kirk Cousins, etc...

Definitely safer to pick a guard.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by SNR

No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.

The Chiefs are like the majority of their fans...

Fan 1 - "There isn't a QB worth picking. It's best we choose a lineman and play it safe."

2 years later...

Fan 2 - "What about QB X?"

Fan 1 - "LOL! Hindsight 50/50!!!"

I believe the Chiefs spend more time scouting backup QBs on other teams than they do college QBs.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.

Bray is a four year project.

The guy hasn't seen the field his rookie season and deservedly so.

So how can anyone state that "Bray isn't enough."? You can't, because you don't know.

And there isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that has his tools. There isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that's going to beat out Smith next year. Or the year after.

I'm sorry that is what it is, but it is what it is.

Drafting another QB in 2014 is simply pissing away a pick. They would be the fourth QB on the roster and would be on the practice squad at best. Guaranteed. It's a class filled with "just guys" other than Manziel and I'm still not sure about him as an NFL QB in this day and age.

What I do know is that our guards and wide receivers need to be upgraded immediately if this team is going to have a chance in the next three to five years, which is the window they have.

They will start looking at QB's in the 2015 and later drafts depending upon Bray's development, but you sure as shit aren't going to see one in 2014. You better hope that it's guard/receiver every other pick unless a stud at FS or TE is available when they pick in the first round. However, they have a good shot at getting a very, very good guard or receiver at their first round selection regardless.

I beseech you to think objectively on this and realize that drafting a mediocre QB prospect in 2014 would be folly.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

So you believe that there will not be a single starting caliber QB from the 2014 draft?

Because Daniel isn't one. So if there's nobody from this draft that's good enough to beat out Daniel, you're saying that there's nobody from this draft that is going to be good enough to start for a credible NFL football team.

Yeah, I'll take that bet. I've not followed the position nearly as closely as last years, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's a starter in this draft. There's a starter in every draft.

Even if there isn't a Luck, there's a Glennon or Foles. There's a guy that will succeed in the right spot and there's no reason that spot can't be here.

If Bray has shown anything this year, I'd cut Daniel and let those two fight for the #2 job. If he hasn't, I'd cut Bray and replace him. You should know after having a guy in the system for a year if he's good enough to bother trying to develop.

The Chiefs should absolutely explore the possibility of adding a QB in this draft.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you believe that there will not be a single starting caliber QB from the 2014 draft?

Because Daniel isn't one. So if there's nobody from this draft that's good enough to beat out Daniel, you're saying that there's nobody from this draft that is going to be good enough to start for a credible NFL football team.

Yeah, I'll take that bet. I've not followed the position nearly as closely as last years, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's a starter in this draft. There's a starter in every draft.

Even if there isn't a Luck, there's a Glennon or Foles. There's a guy that will succeed in the right spot and there's no reason that spot can't be here.

If Bray has shown anything this year, I'd cut Daniel and let those two fight for the #2 job. If he hasn't, I'd cut Bray and replace him. You should know after having a guy in the system for a year if he's good enough to bother trying to develop.

The Chiefs should absolutely explore the possibility of adding a QB in this draft.

I liked Foles coming out. In fact, I seem to remember taking shit about stating that I thought he was a better prospect than Tannehill.

And who says Daniel isn't Russ Wilson? He wasn't beating out Brees and he isn't going to beat out Smith, but given the chance...who knows. We certainly don't, and I'm not sure that simply drafting another guy because we don't think he's good enough is complete justification for drafting another dude just to draft another dude because another dude is just going to be another dude.

And I think Bray, with proper coaching, has a lot of potential.

I'm really not too concerned with the Chiefs QB situation right now.

Like I said, if the coaching staff thinks that they can better it down the road because Bray isn't advancing in two seasons or so, that's fine. But right now, in the 2014 draft, by picking another QB, you are just picking a guy who's never going to get a shot at being anything other than the fourth guy on the depth chart at that position. That's just what it is at this point.

I think that most of you would be more concerned with fixing the obvious problems, which are WR and OG, both of which could be high level guys, or potentially high level guys, where the Chiefs will most likely pick.

A Gabe Jackson or Odell Beckham would do a lot more for this team than a guy who doesn't stand much of a chance in beating out Bray, let alone Daniel and Smith for a roster spot.

Like I said, I'm not really thrilled with this QB class. It seems like a whole bunch of average. It's not like there is a Joe Montana or Tom Brady here - who, despite their lower round selections, kicked the shit out of people in college. You aren't seeing that with any of these guys outside of Manziel and a little in Bridgewater, but everytime I watch Teddy, nothing stands out. He's good, but he's not positional epiphany level stuff.