Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 178

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**alnorth** · 11-27-2013, 02:25 PM

BTW, we had the entire winter to make this move, so the fact we're opening up the spot now, when we could have opened up the spot to protect another minor leaguer, could mean something.

DeepSouth · 11-27-2013, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

BTW, we had the entire winter to make this move, so the fact we're opening up the spot now, when we could have opened up the spot to protect another minor leaguer, could mean something.

The move was made before the rule five draft when the Royals added four to the 40 man roster.

http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/new...8&vkey=news_kc

**alnorth** · 11-27-2013, 05:02 PM

The Twins have signed Ricky Nolasco. Years and money unknown.

**alnorth** · 11-27-2013, 05:08 PM

4 years, $52MM, holy crap. This guy is arguably worse than Vargas. I do not like this at all for the Twins.

edit: thats just a twitter rumor, havent seen anyone credible confirm the details

duncan_idaho · 11-27-2013, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

4 years, $52MM, holy crap. This guy is arguably worse than Vargas. I do not like this at all for the Twins.

edit: thats just a twitter rumor, havent seen anyone credible confirm the details

I like this deals for the Twins.

**alnorth** · 11-27-2013, 05:19 PM

4 years confirmed, still no idea on money.

This guy is a solidly mediocre pitcher, just like Vargas. Same age, even.

duncan_idaho · 11-27-2013, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

4 years confirmed, still no idea on money.

This guy is a solidly mediocre pitcher, just like Vargas. Same age, even.

Vargas is quite a bit more consistent. Nolasco has a higher ceiling but a lower floor.

**alnorth** · 11-27-2013, 05:29 PM

Yankees signed an all-field no-hit shortstop, Brendan Ryan

edit: 2 years plus a player option

CaliforniaChief · 11-27-2013, 05:32 PM

Wow. Maybe Santana WILL make $100 million.

Mama Hip Rockets · 11-27-2013, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

The Royals prefer that no one walks.

LOL

BlackHelicopters · 11-27-2013, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Wow. Maybe Santana WILL make $100 million.

Santana is going to clean up. Lucky ****er.

**alnorth** · 11-27-2013, 08:58 PM

Ricky Nolasco got 4/49, 12.25MM AAV. There's a 13MM club option that can convert to a player option based on innings pitched.

We got Vargas for only 8MM AAV. I think Vargas signed too soon.

TLO · 11-27-2013, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Ricky Nolasco got 4/49, 12.25MM AAV. There's a 13MM club option that can convert to a player option based on innings pitched.

We got Vargas for only 8MM AAV. I think Vargas signed too soon.

Sure starting to look that way.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-28-2013, 12:49 AM

Pitching market is crazy.

Sure-Oz · 11-28-2013, 02:10 AM

So it sounds like even Vargas was a solid sign at this point.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1580308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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11-27-2013, 02:25 PM	#2656
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	BTW, we had the entire winter to make this move, so the fact we're opening up the spot now, when we could have opened up the spot to protect another minor leaguer, could mean something. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-27-2013, 05:02 PM	#2658
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	The Twins have signed Ricky Nolasco. Years and money unknown. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-27-2013, 05:08 PM	#2659
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	4 years, $52MM, holy crap. This guy is arguably worse than Vargas. I do not like this at all for the Twins. edit: thats just a twitter rumor, havent seen anyone credible confirm the details __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-27-2013, 05:19 PM	#2661
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	4 years confirmed, still no idea on money. This guy is a solidly mediocre pitcher, just like Vargas. Same age, even. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-27-2013, 05:29 PM	#2663
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	Yankees signed an all-field no-hit shortstop, Brendan Ryan edit: 2 years plus a player option __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-27-2013, 05:32 PM	#2664
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11-27-2013, 08:58 PM	#2667
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	Ricky Nolasco got 4/49, 12.25MM AAV. There's a 13MM club option that can convert to a player option based on innings pitched. We got Vargas for only 8MM AAV. I think Vargas signed too soon. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-28-2013, 12:49 AM	#2669
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