Football RGIII Benched because he is Black? Michael Irvin...

DJ's left nut · 12-16-2013, 11:06 AM

I hate hate hate the race card in QB discussions.

But I've found the treatmentof RGIII to be dubious at best, to be honest. There have been a handful of times where I've flipped to an analysis of Griffin without hearing the beginning of the conversation and could tell immediately it was him they were talking about because of the kind of vaguely dismissive language they used.

I mean they tend to stop short of saying 'boy', but it sure gets close at times.

My first reaction is always to dismiss this kind of bitching. And I agree he wouldn't be getting treated like this if he was performing better - his poor play is the root cause of the issue. But I do think there is some truth to the fact that he's getting a little more of the 'this kid needs to learn his place and shut up' treatment because he's a black QB. Wilson isn't getting crap because he's a minority that's playing extremely well. But I do wonder if a guy like Luck or Tannehill would be taking these kinds of arrows had they struggled like RGIII has. Tannehill's locker room has been a complete cluster!@#$ and we don't hear people blasting his leadership.

In this particular instance, I do think it's fair to ask if there haven't been some racial overtones to some of the things said about RGIII. Is that why he was benched? Nah, I don't think Shanahan's a racist. But I do think his PR has been disproportionally negative because of it.

**Saul Good** · 12-16-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I hate hate hate the race card in QB discussions.

But I've found the treatmentof RGIII to be dubious at best, to be honest. There have been a handful of times where I've flipped to an analysis of Griffin without hearing the beginning of the conversation and could tell immediately it was him they were talking about because of the kind of vaguely dismissive language they used.

I mean they tend to stop short of saying 'boy', but it sure gets close at times.

My first reaction is always to dismiss this kind of bitching. And I agree he wouldn't be getting treated like this if he was performing better - his poor play is the root cause of the issue. But I do think there is some truth to the fact that he's getting a little more of the 'this kid needs to learn his place and shut up' treatment because he's a black QB. Wilson isn't getting crap because he's a minority that's playing extremely well. But I do wonder if a guy like Luck or Tannehill would be taking these kinds of arrows had they struggled like RGIII has. Tannehill's locker room has been a complete cluster!@#$ and we don't hear people blasting his leadership.

In this particular instance, I do think it's fair to ask if there haven't been some racial overtones to some of the things said about RGIII. Is that why he was benched? Nah, I don't think Shanahan's a racist. But I do think his PR has been disproportionally negative because of it.

I think you're discounting his attitude. He's a blame everyone but himself type of guy, and that doesn't fly when you're supposed to be the leader of your franchise.

WhiteWhale · 12-16-2013, 11:12 AM

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I think you're discounting his attitude. He's a blame everyone but himself type of guy, and that doesn't fly when you're supposed to be the leader of your franchise.

Is he? Or does the media cherry pick his comments and release speculative reports to push this narrative?

HonestChieffan · 12-16-2013, 11:48 AM

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Is he? Or does the media cherry pick his comments and release speculative reports to push this narrative?

Why would the media have a narrative that supports the idea that black QBs are just not up to the job

**The Franchise** · 12-16-2013, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Why would the media have a narrative that supports the idea that black QBs are just not up to the job

Ratings.

WhiteWhale · 12-16-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Why would the media have a narrative that supports the idea that black QBs are just not up to the job

It sells.

The media, as you may have noticed, is sensationalist. They write what sells.

rockachalk · 12-16-2013, 01:29 PM

Manning and Brady are two of the greatest to ever play the game...why would they at all be comparable to a second year guy who has regressed from his first year? And he intersects A. Luck into this??? Luck and the Colts are 9-5 and playoff bound...The only racial element is with people like Irvin who would rather side track from the real problem. The red skins suck.

WhiteWhale · 12-16-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I hate hate hate the race card in QB discussions.

But I've found the treatmentof RGIII to be dubious at best, to be honest. There have been a handful of times where I've flipped to an analysis of Griffin without hearing the beginning of the conversation and could tell immediately it was him they were talking about because of the kind of vaguely dismissive language they used.

I mean they tend to stop short of saying 'boy', but it sure gets close at times.

My first reaction is always to dismiss this kind of bitching. And I agree he wouldn't be getting treated like this if he was performing better - his poor play is the root cause of the issue. But I do think there is some truth to the fact that he's getting a little more of the 'this kid needs to learn his place and shut up' treatment because he's a black QB. Wilson isn't getting crap because he's a minority that's playing extremely well. But I do wonder if a guy like Luck or Tannehill would be taking these kinds of arrows had they struggled like RGIII has. Tannehill's locker room has been a complete cluster!@#$ and we don't hear people blasting his leadership.

In this particular instance, I do think it's fair to ask if there haven't been some racial overtones to some of the things said about RGIII. Is that why he was benched? Nah, I don't think Shanahan's a racist. But I do think his PR has been disproportionally negative because of it.

Same thing happened to Cam Newton. When he had his struggles, it was all "he's an immature punk and that's why he's failing".

When a black QB struggles it can't just be a young QB struggling. The media always assassinates their character. I'd call it a coincidence however when the criteria of a young, well hyped black QB struggles is met, the narrative is always the same. The difference is that in Carolina the head coach wasn't the one feeding the narrative to the media.

**Rausch** · 12-16-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Same thing happened to Cam Newton. When he had his struggles, it was all "he's an immature punk and that's why he's failing".

When a black QB struggles it can't just be a young QB struggling. The media always assassinates their character.

Cam was immature.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-16-2013, 11:22 AM

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Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

You can't be serious.

Now I'm sure I'm right.

**doomy3** · 12-16-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Now I'm sure I'm right.

HonestChieffan · 12-16-2013, 11:45 AM

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Now I'm sure I'm right.

You must be tuned into the secret code words that cover for the seething hate for the black QB's…or something.

WhiteWhale · 12-16-2013, 11:23 AM

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Cam was immature.

You know Cam?

Oh, right... you know what is reported about him. Cam was a young QB. He has to grow. The point is that this narrative seems to be saved exclusively for QB's who fit a certain criteria.

**Rausch** · 12-16-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

You know Cam?

Oh, right... you know what is reported about him. Cam was a young QB. He has to grow. The point is that this narrative seems to be saved exclusively for QB's who fit a certain criteria.

It's the same reason Bray is on our team now. These are young guys. People forget that we're asking 21-23 year old's to be the leadership of a multi million dollar business.

When they're productive QB's don't get called out on their bull$#it.

It's when they suck that guys like Cutler, Cam, Ruthlessrapist, and even Brady this year get talked about.

WhiteWhale · 12-16-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

It's the same reason Bray is on our team now. These are young guys. People forget that we're asking 21-23 year old's to be the leadership of a multi million dollar business.

When they're productive QB's don't get called out on their bull$#it.

It's when they suck that guys like Cutler, Cam, Ruthlessrapist, and even Brady this year get talked about.

None of those guys get the media attention that Cam and RGIII have received for their struggles.

Except Brady, and that was more because it was incongruent with what we've seen from him... and Ben when he was raping people every other weekend.

The narrative sure wasn't "They're a selfish me-first diva". Only QB's that fit a certain criteria get that label.

12-16-2013, 11:06 AM	#1
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2789099	I hate hate hate the race card in QB discussions. But I've found the treatmentof RGIII to be dubious at best, to be honest. There have been a handful of times where I've flipped to an analysis of Griffin without hearing the beginning of the conversation and could tell immediately it was him they were talking about because of the kind of vaguely dismissive language they used. I mean they tend to stop short of saying 'boy', but it sure gets close at times. My first reaction is always to dismiss this kind of bitching. And I agree he wouldn't be getting treated like this if he was performing better - his poor play is the root cause of the issue. But I do think there is some truth to the fact that he's getting a little more of the 'this kid needs to learn his place and shut up' treatment because he's a black QB. Wilson isn't getting crap because he's a minority that's playing extremely well. But I do wonder if a guy like Luck or Tannehill would be taking these kinds of arrows had they struggled like RGIII has. Tannehill's locker room has been a complete cluster!@#$ and we don't hear people blasting his leadership. In this particular instance, I do think it's fair to ask if there haven't been some racial overtones to some of the things said about RGIII. Is that why he was benched? Nah, I don't think Shanahan's a racist. But I do think his PR has been disproportionally negative because of it. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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rockachalk Starter Join Date: Dec 2013 Casino cash: $10005175	Manning and Brady are two of the greatest to ever play the game...why would they at all be comparable to a second year guy who has regressed from his first year? And he intersects A. Luck into this??? Luck and the Colts are 9-5 and playoff bound...The only racial element is with people like Irvin who would rather side track from the real problem. The red skins suck.
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