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Old 12-18-2006, 08:59 AM  
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The rules committee needs to review this...
Let me preface by saying:

I don't care that the Chiefs lost. They aren't a good team and this play really had no bearing on the overall fact that they lost.

The rules committee needs to examine the rules surrounding blocked punts. A blocked punt is an EXTRAORDINARY play that happens just a few times a season for the entire league. So why penalize a team for making an extraordinary play?

It's unexplainable to me how, on a 4th and 12, it's possible for the punting team to fall on the ball short of the 1st down and GET A 1ST DOWN.

The solution is simple. Instead of making the touch rule apply beyond the LOS, make it apply beyond the 1st down marker. The punting team should only be able to get a 1st down if the ball is advanced beyond the 1st down marker.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:14 AM   #31
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I don't think this is that quirky of a rule.....I knew it right away. Len Dawson knew it right away.....it's been a rule forever and it's happened before.

I don't think because our coaching staff/players are to stupid to know the rule doesn't mean it needs to be changed.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:19 AM   #32
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Can we get this discussion back on track?

Ross made a mistake, we know that already. And no, THAT PLAY didn't cost us a shot at the playoffs.

It doesn't change the fact that the rule NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. It's a dumb rule.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:21 AM   #33
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It doesn't matter who knew it and who didn't. It doesn't matter that it was the CHIEFS coaches.

A team should NEVER get a free first down after they made a MISTAKE.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:22 AM   #34
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It doesn't matter who knew it and who didn't. It doesn't matter that it was the CHIEFS coaches.

A team should NEVER get a free first down after they made a MISTAKE.
Team A made a mistake (Chargers allowed punt to be blocked)

Team B made another overriding mistake (Ross muffed the punt).

Your arguement would require a fumble of an intereception to be nullified.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:26 AM   #35
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Team A made a mistake (Chargers allowed punt to be blocked)

Team B made another overriding mistake (Ross muffed the punt).

Your arguement would require a fumble of an intereception to be nullified.
No it wouldn't. Because an interception requires POSSESSION. The intercepting player, just like a WR, has to not only catch the ball but MAKE A FOOTBALL MOVE.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:28 AM   #36
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A team should NEVER get a free first down after they made a MISTAKE.

Which is true, The Chiefs player in question muffed the punt and changed the ball from being dead at that spot to a live ball...
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:29 AM   #37
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Which is true, The Chiefs player in question muffed the punt and changed the ball from being dead at that spot to a live ball...
It should not be a muffed punt if the ball doesn't advance beyond the 1st down marker.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:30 AM   #38
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I agree that the call was correct, but when you block a punt, you should get the ball. Period. That's only fair.

Bad dang rule.

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Old 12-18-2006, 10:34 AM   #39
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It should not be a muffed punt if the ball doesn't advance beyond the 1st down marker.

I agree. The ball never reached the 22 was it? It was touched by a chiefs player at the 17, then recovered by the chargers at that mark.

Should of been first and 10 KC. But according to the rule it is not.

It is a quarky rule, but called correctly, same as muffing a punt down the field. The ball was touched beyond the LOS by a defensive player, therefore it is a live ball.

Same as the DB's running with the gunner, if the ball hits them in the back and the kicking team recovers, kicking team ball.

I always remember coaches screaming at players to get away from blocked kicks and such. (agian not saying anything about our coaching staff) But remember playing in HS, when we blocked a punt, we were always told to get away from the football...
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:36 AM   #40
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Since this happened to the Chiefs, and not in their favor, I'd say the rules committee will not address it. If, however, it had happened to Indy or New England instead, then it would be one of the first topics to be discussed.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:38 AM   #41
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I don't think this is that quirky of a rule.....I knew it right away. Len Dawson knew it right away.....it's been a rule forever and it's happened before.

I don't think because our coaching staff/players are to stupid to know the rule doesn't mean it needs to be changed.
Len didn't know the rule right away ... IIRC while the play was happening he was silent. He didn't mention it until after the play was dead. Usually when something drastic like that is happening Len will start commenting while the play is still live ... and if a player makes a mistake Len will be all over him before the play is finished. IMO if he had had instant recall of the rule, he would have been saying "no no no" or "get away from it" in the background before the play was finished (like he always does).
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:40 AM   #42
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No it wouldn't. Because an interception requires POSSESSION. The intercepting player, just like a WR, has to not only catch the ball but MAKE A FOOTBALL MOVE.
Which we all now know requires more than securing the ball and planting both feet.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:42 AM   #43
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A version of that play happened in the Illinois/Rutgers game this season. Illinois has one of their receivers attempt a rugby punt (due to our freshman punter being the worst in the nation) and kicked it so badly that it hit a Rutgers player in the ass as he was retreating to block for the returner. Illinois recovered the ball and got a first and ten out of it. It was the first onside punt I'd ever seen. It's a rule that defintely needs to be changed. You're basically rewarding the kicking team for screwing up by giving them the ball back in these situations.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:46 AM   #44
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Which we all now know requires more than securing the ball and planting both feet.
Good point, Mr. Bob Dole.

What, exactly, is a "football move". Do you have to make the Heisman pose? Shake and Bake? Wiggle your butt in a semi-circular motion like Manning? What?

When a receiver catches the ball on the sidelines, touches his toes, and falls straight backwards out of the boundry, is that a "football move"?

Inquiring minds.

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Old 12-18-2006, 10:53 AM   #45
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That call may have cost me a first playoff loss in my FFL. I will still probably wing but without the proceeding 89 yard run by LT or would have been all over. NOw I have to sweat out the fact he has Chad Johnson and Vinatieri going tonight.
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