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Old 12-27-2012, 06:41 PM   #1
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A lot of folks like to credit Arians, who is a good OC for sure. But Chuck Pagano orchestrated the Colts' emergence. Pagano drew up the plan for them and was the HC during OTA all the way through pre season.

Arians did a good job executing Pagano's marching orders during the season, but it wasn't his plan.
I wouldn't go that far.

But I've brought up at least 10 times and heard no response... why is it that when the 2009 Chiefs make the playoffs in a Mickey Mouse schedule it's considered a fluke. When Arians does the same thing, the same fans think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Arians is barely beating really crap competition and he's doing it behind a QB who even as a rookie is 10 times better than anyone the Chiefs have had in 10 years. People who believe he's one of the top choices are chasing after shiny objects.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:42 PM   #2
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I wouldn't go that far.

But I've brought up at least 10 times and heard no response... why is it that when the 2009 Chiefs make the playoffs in a Mickey Mouse schedule it's considered a fluke. When Arians does the same thing, the same fans think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Arians is barely beating really crap competition and he's doing it behind a QB who even as a rookie is 10 times better than anyone the Chiefs have had in 10 years. People who believe he's one of the top choices are chasing after shiny objects.
You're going to look pretty stupid when he gets hired next year.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:16 PM   #3
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You're going to look pretty stupid when he gets hired next year.
Why am I going to look stupid? He's going to get hired. Just because he gets hired, doesn't mean he's qualified. I think he'll be the next Ron Rivera. Just another team chasing after a shiny object.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:17 PM   #4
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Why am I going to look stupid? He's going to get hired. Just because he gets hired, doesn't mean he's qualified. I think he'll be the next Ron Rivera. Just another team chasing after a shiny object.
Kind of like Haley.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:21 PM   #5
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Why am I going to look stupid? He's going to get hired. Just because he gets hired, doesn't mean he's qualified. I think he'll be the next Ron Rivera. Just another team chasing after a shiny object.
He's just as qualified to be HC as anyone else.

I wouldn't hate the hire.

He's 60. I'd like someone younger.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:26 PM   #6
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He's just as qualified to be HC as anyone else.

I wouldn't hate the hire.

He's 60. I'd like someone younger.
While I think there are some flaws with Bruce, it is important to realize that their A) is no perfect coach. ****, Belichick, regarded as one of the more detailed and innovative defensive coaches has ****ing had horrible Ds since 2008.

B) I think Bruce deserves a shot as a HC after this year. Personally, I'd just like to see him on another team. If Kelly is gone, and the other candidates are about equal with Arians, I'd support the hire of a guy with a track record of developing QBs, despite there being several things I detest.

Finally, I agree. I'd like to hire someone younger as well.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:42 PM   #7
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He's just as qualified to be HC as anyone else.

I wouldn't hate the hire.

He's 60. I'd like someone younger.
My concern with age is... the NFL is a close-knit community and when a guy coordinates for 10+ years, coordinates for one of the most respected franchises, and wins a super bowl... there's often a reason executives aren't knocking on your door.

There's only been one head coach who won a Super Bowl when his first head coaching gig was 50+ years old. Barry Switzer. There's a reason for that. Because when a guy under everyone's radar goes unnoticed for that long, there were probably red flags.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:08 PM   #8
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I wouldn't go that far.

But I've brought up at least 10 times and heard no response... why is it that when the 2009 Chiefs make the playoffs in a Mickey Mouse schedule it's considered a fluke. When Arians does the same thing, the same fans think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Arians is barely beating really crap competition and he's doing it behind a QB who even as a rookie is 10 times better than anyone the Chiefs have had in 10 years. People who believe he's one of the top choices are chasing after shiny objects.
They also beat GB, Minny, and were more than competitive with Houston.

I am undecided on Arians as there are certainly a variety of factors to be considered.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:22 PM   #9
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They also beat GB, Minny, and were more than competitive with Houston.

I am undecided on Arians as there are certainly a variety of factors to be considered.
Yes, they did, but as the season progressed they've basically been scraping by really bad teams. I've said that Arians has done well for the situation. But I don't see how what he did was much different from Singletary reviving his 49ers squad in year 1, from Mangini and Haley taking their teams from zero to hero early in their coaching tenure. An easy schedule makes a lot of coaches look good.

I've pointed out some of Arians' red flags. So when I discredit Arians' 2012 success, it's because I don't believe 2012 showed enough for me to make those red flags go away.
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Yes, they did, but as the season progressed they've basically been scraping by really bad teams. I've said that Arians has done well for the situation. But I don't see how what he did was much different from Singletary reviving his 49ers squad in year 1, from Mangini and Haley taking their teams from zero to hero early in their coaching tenure. An easy schedule makes a lot of coaches look good.

I've pointed out some of Arians' red flags. So when I discredit Arians' 2012 success, it's because I don't believe 2012 showed enough for me to make those red flags go away.
Yup. I think he'd be an adequate stop-gap/consi prize. I'm not sure we reach a SB with Arians or he stays for a long time. However, having him could be exceptionally beneficial to Geno/Wilson.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:37 PM   #11
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Yup. I think he'd be an adequate stop-gap/consi prize. I'm not sure we reach a SB with Arians or he stays for a long time. However, having him could be exceptionally beneficial to Geno/Wilson.
I disagree. I think what you want is a terrific motivator/leader/disciplinary head coach and an offensive coordinator who is a QB guru. Again, the part that bothers me most about Arians is the way he enabled Big Ben to become a spoiled brat, on and off the field. Geno seems like a good kid, but he also seems a little immature. You need a head coach who's going to be tough but fair, not a coach like Arians who will be your best friend even when you screw up.
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I wouldn't go that far.

But I've brought up at least 10 times and heard no response... why is it that when the 2009 Chiefs make the playoffs in a Mickey Mouse schedule it's considered a fluke. When Arians does the same thing, the same fans think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Arians is barely beating really crap competition and he's doing it behind a QB who even as a rookie is 10 times better than anyone the Chiefs have had in 10 years. People who believe he's one of the top choices are chasing after shiny objects.
there's nothing to stretch here but to deny the truth -- Pagano's team. Not Arians' call. To say Arians makes adjustments during games is like saying Luck plays well during the fourth qtr -- it's what these folks do and they do it under Pagano's plan. That's not extraordinary for them and it is the reason they are on Pagano's team.

As for the wins -- they are MOTR in all three phases. They caught the Vikes during a bad stretch, had a few breaks during other games. All will come back to earth for them against Houston.

Arians deserves a shot as HC somewhere. He's obviously going to get one since the HC pool has been so poor over the past 2 decades. Arians is a clever coach, not sure I'd say he's going to be a champ at HC though, but who knows. Especially with the league wide parity changes and NBA like rules etc, I guess any avg HC can go yard nowadays.
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