Chiefs So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done? - Page 8

King_Chief_Fan · 10-09-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.

there were more options than picking up a back up that was a guy from who didn't play in college and pay 60M for it

KChiefer · 10-09-2012, 05:51 PM

He could of at least gotten Manning to visit KC.

He could have done what it takes to move up for RG3 or Tannehill.

He could have realized Wilson has more game as a rook than Cassel(foresight is his job unlike a fan's hindsight)

He could have created a functional enough tree to keep Weis here. Haley over-hyped and over-thought himself in coaching.

Cassel is a 7th round pick, and he IS NOT Brady or Warner. Many kickers are valued higher.

**DeezNutz** · 10-09-2012, 05:54 PM

Nothing. Pioli is yet another innocent victim subjected to the savage, moronic fans in KC. Once there are some new fans, and Cassel is surrounded by fresh smelling sea sponges, we'll be able to evaluate these two miracles from NE.

Crush · 10-09-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Nothing. Pioli is yet another innocent victim subjected to the savage, moronic fans in KC. Once there are some new fans, and Cassel is surrounded by fresh smelling sea sponges, we'll be able to evaluate these two miracles from NE.

Bill Simmons just masturbated to this post.

DrunkBassGuitar · 10-09-2012, 05:55 PM

I wish I had a boss like Bill Belichick. I could be as incompetent and as terrible as I wanted, but he would find a way to make me look like King Shit of **** Mountain. I would be filthy rich without having to be talented or competent.

tk13 · 10-09-2012, 05:56 PM

Trading for Cassel wasn't that bad. If he turns into a franchise guy you've made a good deal.

The real problem is not even attempting to have a plan B. Our plan B last year was Tyler Palko... to me that's just as bad as having Cassel as a starter. If your QB goes down, which he did... your backup didn't have the arm strength to throw a 20 yard out. Now maybe he fixed that problem this year... we're about to find out with Quinn on Sunday. But he's a huge question mark. He couldn't beat out Tebow... or even Orton.

That's pretty much been Pioli's problem across the board though. As much as people want to rip Belichick, and yeah Brady is the Patriot Way and all that... Belichick was still able to get decent performances out of backup players when starters got hurt. We haven't come close to approaching that level of depth and consistency here.

**DeezNutz** · 10-09-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Trading for Cassel wasn't that bad. If he turns into a franchise guy you've made a good deal.

The real problem is not even attempting to have a plan B. Our plan B last year was Tyler Palko... to me that's just as bad as having Cassel as a starter. If your QB goes down, which he did... your backup didn't have the arm strength to throw a 20 yard out. Now maybe he fixed that problem this year... we're about to find out with Quinn on Sunday. But he's a huge question mark. He couldn't beat out Tebow... or even Orton.

Pioli has always had a plan B. The problem is that this plan is to shelter Cassel at all costs. Plan A, of course, being that Cassel actually does something worth a shit to deserve his spots on the roster and depth chart.

**DeezNutz** · 10-09-2012, 06:00 PM

Pioli and Hoodie were equal in NE! Oops.

Everyone shits himself from time to time, Clark. The difference is that most people change clothes after the fact, while you're still smelling.

philfree · 10-09-2012, 06:04 PM

There was no clear cut home run Pioli missed but that's not the point for Chiefs fans. The last thing Chiefs fans wanted was another teams backup or has been QB. Chiefs fans are starving for our own drafted franchise QB. We'd rather go down with one of "our own" then someone elses castoff. We thought that we wre in position to draft a QB with a new regime coming in and starting a rebuild from the ground up. Well that didn't happen and the rest is history. It's been ugly on this forum every since but this place is just the tip of the iceburg.

I would think a new GM would take a hard look at his fanbase before making any big decisions. Pioli should have known he was screwed with this fanbase if he brought in Cassel and didn't attempt to draft a franchise QB.

**Rausch** · 10-09-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I would think a new GM would take a hard look at his fanbase before making any big decisions. Pioli should have known he was screwed with this fanbase if he brought in Cassel and didn't attempt to draft a franchise QB.

This.

Any hope things would be different was squashed when we once again traded for someone else's b/u and continued to strike and miss on highly drafted D lineman...

Hammock Parties · 10-09-2012, 06:07 PM

Cincy is 3-2 with the 15th ranked ground game and 21st ranked defense.

But Dalton = Cassel.

jd1020 · 10-09-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Cincy is 3-2 with the 15th ranked ground game and 21st ranked defense.

But Dalton = Cassel.

And he's still awful against good teams.

Hammock Parties · 10-09-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

And he's still awful against good teams.

He's 21 games into his NFL career.

jd1020 · 10-09-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

He's 21 games into his NFL career.

And? Luck is 5 games into his.

Dalton is a game manager who is slightly better than Cassel.

Sorter · 10-09-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

And? Luck is 5 games into his.

WTF does Luck have anything to do with this convo?

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10-09-2012, 05:56 PM	#6
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1772500	Trading for Cassel wasn't that bad. If he turns into a franchise guy you've made a good deal. The real problem is not even attempting to have a plan B. Our plan B last year was Tyler Palko... to me that's just as bad as having Cassel as a starter. If your QB goes down, which he did... your backup didn't have the arm strength to throw a 20 yard out. Now maybe he fixed that problem this year... we're about to find out with Quinn on Sunday. But he's a huge question mark. He couldn't beat out Tebow... or even Orton. That's pretty much been Pioli's problem across the board though. As much as people want to rip Belichick, and yeah Brady is the Patriot Way and all that... Belichick was still able to get decent performances out of backup players when starters got hurt. We haven't come close to approaching that level of depth and consistency here.
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10-09-2012, 06:04 PM	#9
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1416198	There was no clear cut home run Pioli missed but that's not the point for Chiefs fans. The last thing Chiefs fans wanted was another teams backup or has been QB. Chiefs fans are starving for our own drafted franchise QB. We'd rather go down with one of "our own" then someone elses castoff. We thought that we wre in position to draft a QB with a new regime coming in and starting a rebuild from the ground up. Well that didn't happen and the rest is history. It's been ugly on this forum every since but this place is just the tip of the iceburg. I would think a new GM would take a hard look at his fanbase before making any big decisions. Pioli should have known he was screwed with this fanbase if he brought in Cassel and didn't attempt to draft a franchise QB. __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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10-09-2012, 06:07 PM	#11
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