Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/


Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and he’s sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packers’ moves in free agency this year indicate that they’re already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesn’t public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he won’t count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didn’t sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year they’re getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didn’t have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, it’s easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. It’s surprising more teams haven’t copied them.


May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

but it's not really about Alex Smith

It's about the philosophy of trading two 2nd round draft picks for a QB when your team is not ready to make a push.

Oh but it IS about Smith... without him this team goes 7-9 to 8-8 last year.

If a team wants to make a winning push, they should probably start with the most important position on the field... if Alex wasn't worth the cost then I'll just stop here and let you think what you want to think, I'm so sick of these pointless arguments.

Last year went from presumably "ok yeah the new crew got us a 5 game swing, 7-9! c'mon guys whats wrong with ya'll that's REAL improvement!"

To "holy shit we've been blowing fools OUT these last few weeks and are now poised to dominate a playoff game!"

That kind of change is ALL about the QB for any team... c'mon dude, give some credit where its due.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

but it's not really about Alex Smith

It's about the philosophy of trading two 2nd round draft picks for a QB when your team is not ready to make a push.

So we should have kept Matt Cassel then. Or Jason Campbell that could not have done what Smith did. Smith removed the stench that Cassel had put on this team in one year.
Never have heard of a team being built with the QB being the last piece. That was intentionally brought in just for that purpose. I am pretty sure it is suppose to be the first piece brought on.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Seattle went from 7-9 to SB champions in 2 years.

I look forward to our super bowl rings then.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

I've always felt this was a bad way to judge such things, because having extra picks often dramatically changes the entire strategy of the draft.

Look at what KC did with the Jared Allen trade. We nabbed Albert, Charles, and that shitty Safety... Morgan or whatever. However I still feel that KC would have not drafted Brandon Flowers if not for the extra picks they gained.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I look forward to our super bowl rings then.

The point is about being ready for a push. In today's NFL, a couple of good drafts and a QB who gets hot at the right time is more than enough to get you to the big game.

There's no guarantee that you get the rings.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

Ted Thompson has also splashed on veteran FAs more than the Chiefs ever have. Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers come to mind here. I'd rather have Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers over everything Dorsey has signed so far for the Chiefs

[el borracho]

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

[Easy 6]

Axl Smythe sucks like Tim Couch, give up hope all ye who enter...

Sure, many things are disappointing, but our QB is at the top of that list

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

The games Smith didn't throw a TD in were against QBs of the likes of Thad Lewis, Case Keenum, Mike Vick, Terrell Pryor, Andy Luck.

As of right now only ONE of those QBs will be a starter next year.

Your argument actually shows how overrated and shitty our defense is. The Chiefs defense was able to beat on really, really, really shitty QBs and unprepared offensive systems for that week. Whereas Alex Smith had to keep them in both Denver games and the first SD games

Alex Smith against Luck, Rivers, Manning: 11 touchdowns and 3 picks.

The Chiefs defense in those four games gave up a bajillion ****ing yards and points. Because the Chiefs defense is the ****ing problem, not Alex Smith.

[el borracho]

No, the argument is that the Chiefs defense, not Alex Smith, determined the outcome of the games in 2013.

None of the QBs you mention play defense, by the way, so they have very little to do with Alex Smith's performance. If you want to discuss the defense on the opposing teams last year, that would have a lot more relevance to Alex Smith's performance. No need to look it up, I can tell you that the Chiefs played an incredibly easy schedule in 2013. Chiefs got out to a great start by defeating some really crappy opponents in 2013.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by el borracho

No, the argument is that the Chiefs defense, not Alex Smith, determined the outcome of the games in 2013.

None of the QBs you mention play defense, by the way, so they have very little to do with Alex Smith's performance. If you want to discuss the defense on the opposing teams last year, that would have a lot more relevance to Alex Smith's performance. No need to look it up, I can tell you that the Chiefs played an incredibly easy schedule in 2013. Chiefs got out to a great start by defeating some really crappy opponents in 2013.

Yes. We've been well aware of the easy schedule that the team that won 2 games the year before had. The chiefs were one of those bad teams before last year. If you don't think Smith had anything to do with the turn around, you're high. If you watched the games you'd be able to notice the plays that kept drives alive that Smith made in most of those wins. Oh, but he only threw for 180 yards, that means he sucked and did nothing.

And let me guess, are you one of these Smith is to blame for the playoff loss, people? I'm not saying Smith is one of the best QBs in the league, but I'm also not gonna listen to people say he had little to do with the turnaround. He had as much to do with it as anyone else, and was one of the few people that can honestly say don't blame me for the playoff loss.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

Boom goes the ****ing truth!

[Messier]

Name the QB that you wanted to draft last year.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Well, many would like to see the Chiefs build through the draft, and I guess I'm one who agrees with that. It might not be pretty at first, but I'm willing to let this front office do their thing.

Most top teams have built through the draft like the seahawks, niners, colts to think of just a quick few..

We have a lot of drafted players on our team and I personally like to see our team win off our own blood and drafted players, but sometimes if it takes just that 1 person to set your team over the edge (in the broncos case 10 players) then why not do it?

I personally think we are missing a Top notch Tight end, a WR that can actually compliment Bowe, and maybe 1 more top D player for us to be super bowl caliber worthy.. And I don't think that's expecting too much after our performance last year since we did look like we could've made a run...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

I don't think many people on CP are crediting Smith for his win/loss record. I was a really big critic most of the year.

Even the biggest of critics have said the second half version of Alex Smith was better and different than any Alex Smith we ever saw in San Fran. Even if the Chiefs didn't pull off many wins the second half of the year, the way Smith played, we could have pulled most of those wins off with even just an average defense. Smith was one of the main reasons we were keeping games close. I NEVER thought Smith was capable of carrying a team, but he did.

That being said… Smith is a QB that needs help around him to succeed.