Football Orakpo - 4 sacks on the day, 12 on the year

BWillie · 12-14-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Oh....and for what it's worth......if we didn't trade for Cassel....we could have ended up with this.

1st - Mark Sanchez, QB
2nd - Ron Brace, NT
3rd - Alex Magee, DE

You know, I still probably wouldn't want Sanchez over Cassel. Sanchez started out w/ three good games and he's been worse than Jamarcus Russell ever since. At least we know Cassell had a year where he was a serviceable QB for New England. We know that Sanchez sucks.

wild1 · 12-14-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

You know, I still probably wouldn't want Cassell over Sanchez. Sanchez started out w/ three good games and he's been worse than Jamarcus Russell ever since. At least we know Cassell had a year where he was a serviceable QB for New England. We know that Sanchez sucks.

We don't know that Sanchez will always suck any more than we know if Cassel will suck for the rest of his career.

Sanchez is sucking on a better offense, but he probably still has more upside. Cassel hasn't had a good year, but with a decent offense he played fairly well last season.

I don't think there is a clear favorite at this point in their careers between the two.

Sure-Oz · 12-14-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

We don't know that Sanchez will always suck any more than we know if Cassel will suck for the rest of his career.

Sanchez is on a better offense, but he probably still has more upside. Cassel hasn't had a good year, but with a decent offense he played fairly well last season.

I don't think there is a clear favorite at this point in their careers between the two.

Cassel still makes the dumbest decisions, he needs to correct that first off

wild1 · 12-14-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Cassel still makes the dumbest decisions, he needs to correct that first off

Sanchez turned the ball over 20 times in 12 games, before finding himself on the bench.

But I agree. An offensive coordinator, a QB coach, and an offensive line might go a long way to helping with that.

Sure-Oz · 12-14-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Sanchez turned the ball over 20 times in 12 games, before finding himself on the bench.

they dont want the rookie to continue to struggle and then be destroyed mentally...its probably better he heals up and watches a bit

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Sanchez turned the ball over 20 times in 12 games, before finding himself on the bench.

You're honestly going to compare the play of a 21 year old rookie to that of a 27 year old, 5 year veteran?

And FWIW, Cassel now has 17 INT's and has fumbled 13 times.

wild1 · 12-14-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're honestly going to compare the play of a 21 year old rookie to that of a 27 year old, 5 year veteran?

And FWIW, Cassel now has 17 INT's and has fumbled 13 times.

Cassel has only lost 3 fumbles. I didn't count fumbles not lost.

Sanchez is averaging more than 1 interception per game played, and fumbles in virtually every game.

Sanchez: 17INT + 3 fumb lost = 20 Turnovers
Cassel: 13 INT + 3 Fumb lost = 16 Turnovers

Brock · 12-14-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Cassel has only lost 3 fumbles. I didn't count fumbles not lost.

Sanchez is averaging more than 1 interception per game played, and fumbles in virtually every game.

Sanchez: 17INT + 3 fumb lost = 20 Turnovers
Cassel: 13 INT + 3 Fumb lost = 16 Turnovers

Wow what a major difference.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Cassel has only lost 3 fumbles. I didn't count fumbles not lost.

Sanchez is averaging more than 1 interception per game played, and fumbles in virtually every game.

Sanchez: 17INT + 3 fumb lost = 20 Turnovers
Cassel: 13 INT + 3 Fumb lost = 16 Turnovers

Interesting.

Cassel is averaging more than 1 INT per game played (13 INT in 12 games) and fumbles in virtually every game. (13 fumbles in 12 games)

Both of them are playing like rookies.

The problem is, one of them is a 27 year old, 5th year veteran.

BWillie · 12-14-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're honestly going to compare the play of a 21 year old rookie to that of a 27 year old, 5 year veteran?

And FWIW, Cassel now has 17 INT's and has fumbled 13 times.

Cassel basically is a sophomore quarterback. I don't care how much practice you get, you have to be able to do it in games. And w/ that said - he never started any games until last year, since he was 18. He is going to have a learning curve similar to Sanchez.

Mecca · 12-14-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Cassel basically is a sophomore quarterback. I don't care how much practice you get, you have to be able to do it in games. And w/ that said - he never started any games until last year, since he was 18. He is going to have a learning curve similar to Sanchez.

And this is why trading for him was stupid as ****. But no we had a huge contingent of posters that said he was experienced, better than a rookie etc etc etc.

How things change that reality has hit.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Cassel basically is a sophomore quarterback. I don't care how much practice you get, you have to be able to do it in games. And w/ that said - he never started any games until last year, since he was 18. He is going to have a learning curve similar to Sanchez.

Yet the entire offseason, we were subjected to the "well, he won't make rookie mistakes" or "he has more experience, so he's a better fit" comments.

Funny how those folks have changed their tune after 12 games.

**DeezNutz** · 12-14-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Cassel basically is a sophomore quarterback. I don't care how much practice you get, you have to be able to do it in games. And w/ that said - he never started any games until last year, since he was 18. He is going to have a learning curve similar to Sanchez.

A 27-year-old sophomore?

There's probably a pretty decent reason why he's never started, except in high school.

ChiefsCountry · 12-14-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Sanchez turned the ball over 20 times in 12 games, before finding himself on the bench.

You do realize that Sanchez is hurt.

Sure-Oz · 12-14-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

You know, I still probably wouldn't want Cassell over Sanchez. Sanchez started out w/ three good games and he's been worse than Jamarcus Russell ever since. At least we know Cassell had a year where he was a serviceable QB for New England. We know that Sanchez sucks.

lol, i think thats really unfair to judge Sanchez this early. 1 year college starter, starting as a rookie