BIG 12 AND SEC PLAY EACH OTHER

[Saul Good]

So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

KU just landed the best player in basketball since LeBron.

They couldn't care less about playing Mizzou today or twenty years from now.

Texas just revealed that their athletic department brings in a revenue around $163,000,000. This is $40,000,000 more than the closest SEC school.

I appreciate your attempt to once again take a shot at the Big 12 but the fact remains that these schools are excelling beyond anything they've done in the past athletically and financially.

This is a mutual attempt by both conferences to capitalize on the explosion in popularity of college basketball. Really nothing more.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Bambi

KU just landed the best player in basketball since LeBron.

They couldn't care less about playing Mizzou today or twenty years from now.

Texas just revealed that their athletic department brings in a revenue around $163,000,000. This is $40,000,000 more than the closest SEC school.

I appreciate your attempt to once again take a shot at the Big 12 but the fact remains that these schools are excelling beyond anything they've done in the past athletically and financially.

This is a mutual attempt by both conferences to capitalize on the explosion in popularity of college basketball. Really nothing more.

Meh. KU playing MU is good for business. It's a national rivalry that dates back....how many years? It's good for exposure and man it makes for some fun weeks leading up to it.

And really, whether you or anyone doesn't want that game to happen, it's going to happen. Likely sooner than most expect.

[Hound333]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Meh. KU playing MU is good for business. It's a national rivalry that dates back....how many years? It's good for exposure and man it makes for some fun weeks leading up to it.

And really, whether you or anyone doesn't want that game to happen, it's going to happen. Likely sooner than most expect.

I agree, it would be very good business for Mizzou. It is not however a national rivalry. I know way to many people from the East coast that think KSU is KU's only rival. The only time the national media cares about KU/MU games are when they are both ranked in the top 10. Most years it was only a local rivalry.

I would love to play Mizzou every year, I just don't want to give up a game against UK or Fla or whoever is the best team in the SEC to get it. If MU is the best team we can play from that league then by all means schedule it up.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Hound333

I agree, it would be very good business for Mizzou. It is not however a national rivalry. I know way to many people from the East coast that think KSU is KU's only rival. The only time the national media cares about KU/MU games are when they are both ranked in the top 10. Most years it was only a local rivalry.

I would love to play Mizzou every year, I just don't want to give up a game against UK or Fla or whoever is the best team in the SEC to get it. If MU is the best team we can play from that league then by all means schedule it up.

While I don't quite dismiss KU/MU as having no national appeal as much as you do your core point is correct. Kansas Basketball has ascended to a level where they simply can't be bothered by lower rung teams. Just look at the non-con KU is playing already. Kansas is out for huge ratings and huge money and from the SEC really only Kentucky and Florida can bring that at this time.


Nov. 8 (Friday) – LOUISIANA-MONROE, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 12 (Tuesday) – Duke, Chicago, Ill. (Champions Classic, United Center)

Nov. 19 (Tuesday) – IONA, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 22 (Friday) – TOWSON, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 28-30, Battle 4 Atlantis (Three games), Paradise Island, Bahamas

The field: Villanova, Tennessee, Iowa, UTEP, Xavier, USC and Wake Forest.

Dec. 7 (Saturday) – at Colorado, Boulder, Colo.

Dec. 10 (Tuesday) – at Florida, Gainesville, Fla.

Dec. 14 (Saturday) – NEW MEXICO, Kansas City, Mo. (Sprint Center)

Dec. 21 (Saturday) – GEORGETOWN, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 30 (Monday) – TOLEDO, Lawrence, Kan.

Jan. 5 (Sunday) – SAN DIEGO STATE, Lawrence, Kan.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Hound333

I would love to play Mizzou every year, I just don't want to give up a game against UK or Fla or whoever is the best team in the SEC to get it.

That's kinda the conundrum. There are 2 types of schools elites play: "name" schools normally in a desirious locale, and dogcrap. Schools like Mizzou fit between that so they don't provide the huge national stage or recruiting exposure , but they also won't take a 1-way ticket to Lawrence for a beatdown and a paycheck. So where do you go from there?


Essentially the only two arrangements they'd take would be a home and home, or a neutral site. Since neither remotely works for KU, what's the point?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

And really, whether you or anyone doesn't want that game to happen, it's going to happen. Likely sooner than most expect.

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

It's red meat for those in the fan base who are dumb and/or emotional enough to lap it up.

Plow doesn't fall into that category. Wickedson does.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

I know arguing with you is pointless, so I'll make it brief.

The KU/MU rivalry is important to both schools. Regardless of what has been said, it's going to happen again and eventually, it will end up a yearly thing - at least in basketball. Although I'd love to see KU football take some huge steps and make football part of the equation as well. Might as well get used to the idea of it now.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I know arguing with you is pointless, so I'll make it brief.

The KU/MU rivalry is important to both schools. Regardless of what has been said, it's going to happen again and eventually, it will end up a yearly thing - at least in basketball. Although I'd love to see KU football take some huge steps and make football part of the equation as well. Might as well get used to the idea of it now.

You're severely overestimating the value of the Border War. Esp to KU basketball. Our fanbase tunes in to watch KU play, not MU play. You haven't explained how renewing the Border War makes KU additional revenue over playing non-cons at home. I'd like to see your math here.



Each year it goes without being played, the less attached people are to it. In 5-10 years, our students that will be on campus will be old enough that they won't even remember it being played.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You're severely overestimating the value of the Border War. Esp to KU basketball. Our fanbase tunes in to watch KU play, not MU play. You haven't explained how renewing the Border War makes KU additional revenue over playing non-cons at home. I'd like to see your math here.


Each year it goes without being played, the less attached people are to it. In 5-10 years, our students that will be on campus will be old enough that they won't even remember it being played.

So, in 5-10 years people won't even remember it? Are you sure you aren't talking about Nebraska? Colorado?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You're severely overestimating the value of the Border War. Esp to KU basketball. Our fanbase tunes in to watch KU play, not MU play. You haven't explained how renewing the Border War makes KU additional revenue over playing non-cons at home. I'd like to see your math here.



Each year it goes without being played, the less attached people are to it. In 5-10 years, our students that will be on campus will be old enough that they won't even remember it being played.

Tell Plow more about what KU fans want since, being a KU fan himself, he has no idea.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

The Colorado bball game on KU's schedule says hi......CU did leave the Big XII, remember?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

The Colorado bball game on KU's schedule says hi......CU did leave the Big XII, remember?

We already went through this once. I believe the reasons for this are laid out in the re-alignment thread, so do a search on it and you'll find out what htey are. I believe you were already in on it though, so it might just be a project you can do solo.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

We already went through this once. I believe the reasons for this are laid out in the re-alignment thread, so do a search on it and you'll find out what htey are. I believe you were already in on it though, so it might just be a project you can do solo.

We went though it once, and it was established you are an idiot, and your precious AD is a hypocrite.