Chiefs Croyle better have a good game in Miami - Page 7

Wile_E_Coyote · 07:30 PM

...because I see nothing

PastorMikH · 08-16-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Give me the franchise QB over the DeBerg's and Grbac's of the NFL.

How do we get one? Carl wouldn't pay for a young, developed QB we can build the team around if one did become available. Those we can afford are like Montana with just a few years left in the tank.

Lets say though we lost all 16 games, and drafted the best qb to come out of college in 20 years with our first pick. First, Carl probably wouldn't get him signed in time for camp, maybe not even the start of the season. Then, even if he has what it takes to be a stud, he's going to struggle. Before he turns the corner and starts becoming a stud, we'll be calling for whatever vet journeyman backup QB who's on the bench holding a clipboard to get the starts while all we fans cry about yet another first round draft bust.

milkman · 08-16-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Grossman doesn't have a ring.

And the guys that are the shit like Brady, Roethlisberger and the Mannings, have rings. Those guys beat the game managers that play against them in the big game more often than not. The plan is to make it to the Super Bowl and win it. To do that you need the guys that are the shit. IMO.

So far, I don't see Rothlisberger as more than a game manager who occasionally has big games.

And he was outplayed by Hasselback in their SB.

**Bearcat** · 08-16-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

The thing is, you just cant go out and get one of those guys. WTF do you want them to do?

The last one was Peyton Manning, I guess. I'd like to see the Chiefs get a guy like that too.

Fact is, it's not that easy.

Looks pretty obvious to me. Look at the top rated QBs last season... you have #1 picks, 5th rounders, and a guy from Eastern Illinois. Look at the bottom, and you see the same damn thing.

The fact is, there aren't 32 starting quarterbacks in this league.

PastorMikH · 08-16-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

As to Favre, I'd bet that he's cost his team as many winning opportunities with boneheaded passes as he won them games late with great plays.

IMO, the guy's been playing for close to 2 decades and that statement is probably about as true for the upcoming season as it was when he was young.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-16-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

So far, I don't see Rothlisberger as more than a game manager who occasionally has big games.

And he was outplayed by Hasselback in their SB.

And Ben gets the ring, sad panda. lol

milkman · 08-16-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

And Ben gets the ring, sad panda. lol

Yes, he got the ring.

The point is, he's not a franchise QB like the Mannings and Bradys.

He's a glorified game manager.

Which leads me to wonder, do you have any real idea what the hell you want?

**Bearcat** · 08-16-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Grossman doesn't have a ring.

And the guys that are the shit like Brady, Roethlisberger and the Mannings, have rings. Those guys beat the game managers that play against them in the big game more often than not. The plan is to make it to the Super Bowl and win it. To do that you need the guys that are the shit. IMO.

Yeah, I edited wrong...

Eli Manning is the shit?

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-16-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Eli Manning is the shit?

Nah he's getting there, I'd take him in a heartbeat over Croyle.

**Smed1065** · 08-16-2008, 09:50 PM

Since there are 32 teams and 4 great QB's always mentioned, I would guess they get it right 1/8th of the time?

It would take drafting 8 QB's in the first round to get a "great" one. The Chiefs have drafted how many QB's early?

milkman · 08-16-2008, 09:51 PM

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Nah he's getting there, I'd take him in a heartbeat over Croyle.

So, going into his 5th season, he's getting there.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-16-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

So, going into his 5th season, he's getting there.

Yes.

PastorMikH · 08-16-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Nah he's getting there, I'd take him in a heartbeat over Croyle.

Now you would. Would you have taken him when he was 1-6 with 48% completions and 6 tds/9 ints?

**Bearcat** · 08-16-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Nah he's getting there, I'd take him in a heartbeat over Croyle.

He's thrown more interceptions each year while not increasing TDs. He threw for under 200 yards in their first two playoff games and did much more to 'not screw it up' than win those 4 games.

Two rookie seasons as a starter...

9 games, 48% completion percentage, 1043 yards, 6 TDs, 9 INTs, 55.4 rating
9 games, 56% completion percentage, 1227 yards, 6 TDs, 6 INTs, 69.9 rating

One is Croyle and one is Eli.

**KcMizzou** · 08-16-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Now you would. Would you have taken him when he was 1-6 with 48% completions and 6 tds/9 ints?

He won dah supur bowl!!!!!

**Bearcat** · 08-16-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Now you would. Would you have taken him when he was 1-6 with 48% completions and 6 tds/9 ints?

So much for the suspense.

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