"Why we need a new coach in '05" - Page 3

shaneo69 · 11-15-2004, 09:54 AM

I really think DV has gotten to the point where he can't be objective enough when it comes to evaluating these players and asst. coaches in order to make the necessary changes for '05.

Since the Vermiel era started, the Chiefs have rarely been the highest bidder when shopping for free agents. Instead, Vermiel has relied on his "family atmosphere" approach to appeal to the potential signees. But this offseason, if he's still here, he'll be a lame duck coach that UFA's know will not be back in '06. This will be a major obstacle in trying to woo free agents.

For fans, and the organization as a whole, the lame duck season spells danger because anyone that we sign to big bucks may not fit in with the new coach coming in '06. So we might end up wasting cap money on guys who don't fit the new ('06) scheme.

Finally, I think it's necessary for a new coach for '05 to come in from the outside to purge our roster of the guys who have sucked for 3-4 years now. We cannot be stuck with guys like Woods, Wesley, Warfield, Bartee, McCleon, Battle, Holliday, Hicks, Sims, etc. just because they're nice guys, or because they were high draft picks by the current staff, or because they were prize free agent signings by the current staff. We need someone who will study tape and objectively analyze our roster, and make the necessary changes, even if it means putting us in a bad cap situation for a year.

shaneo69 · 11-15-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I think you just have to go out and find players that can fundamentally tackle, cover a receiver and get after the quarterback.

Those players generally fit in any scheme.

I guess I'm just preparing myself for the excuses that will be coming from 1 Arrowhead Dr. when the '05 draft picks and free agent signings can't crack the starting lineup in '06.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-15-2004, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

I guess I'm just preparing myself for the excuses that will be coming from 1 Arrowhead Dr. when the '05 draft picks and free agent signings can't crack the starting lineup in '06.

I completely understand. I am too.

It's like bring in a Pro Bowl corner and telling him he has to compete with your 4th year converted safety that has never had an interception in his life.

It's friggen insane and insulting.

BigChiefFan · 11-15-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

You forgot Lionel Dalton and Shawn Barber.

Knowing you, you are being sarcastic, if that's the case, I'm failing to see how bringing those players up give any basis for the other side's argument. Surely you aren't implying that Dalton and Barber were top-tier FAs, are you?

KCTitus · 11-15-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Knowing you, you are being sarcastic, if that's the case, I'm failing to see how bringing those players up give any basis for the other side's argument. Surely you aren't implying that Dalton and Barber were top-tier FAs, are you?

You're right...I also forgot Priest Holmes. He was a low tier 3rd down back when Carl went after him. However, Holmes foiled Carl's master plan.

Frankie · 11-15-2004, 12:49 PM

DV is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Sure he has his eccentricities like all old coaches. But it still gives me hope when the I see him on the sideline when we are behind. I don't understand this thread. yeah, let's get rid of DV. I hear the saints coach might be looking for a job. He beat us yesterday right?

Purging the coaches when we have an awesome 'O' and a great DC is not the way to go. Has anyone noticed we have perhaps the best O-line coach in the business? How would you like him to end up on the staff of one of our AFC rivals? When DV hangs it up, I hope we will have a smooth transition to one of his coaches (like Saunders). This ball club needs repairs, not rebuilding.

That said, I think CP can go and a couple of the defensive coaches as well. Can you say...... Guinta?

Swanman · 11-15-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

DV is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Sure he has his eccentricities like all old coaches. But it still gives me hope when the I see him on the sideline when we are behind. I don't understand this thread. yeah, let's get rid of DV. I hear the saints coach might be looking for a job. He beat us yesterday right?

Purging the coaches when we have an awesome 'O' and a great DC is not the way to go. Has anyone noticed we have perhaps the best O-line coach in the business? How would you like him to end up on the staff of one of our AFC rivals? When DV hangs it up, I hope we will have a smooth transition to one of his coaches (like Saunders). This ball club needs repairs, not rebuilding.

That said, I think CP can go and a couple of the defensive coaches as well. Can you say...... Guinta?

So far this season the team has shown absolutely zero discipline, both with stupid penalties and blown assignments. In the end, the blame for both of those falls squarely on the head coach's shoulders, especially the dumb penalties part. The Chiefs play like a team that is not well-coached. Granted, they have talent deficiencies in many key areas but most bad players will not have penalties like the late-hit/taunting penalties yesterday.

And what exactly gives you hope looking at DV on the sideline? When I look at him when we're behind, he just looks flat-out confused. That doesn't really give me hope.

shaneo69 · 11-15-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

DV is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Sure he has his eccentricities like all old coaches. But it still gives me hope when the I see him on the sideline when we are behind. I don't understand this thread. yeah, let's get rid of DV. I hear the saints coach might be looking for a job. He beat us yesterday right?

Purging the coaches when we have an awesome 'O' and a great DC is not the way to go. Has anyone noticed we have perhaps the best O-line coach in the business? How would you like him to end up on the staff of one of our AFC rivals? When DV hangs it up, I hope we will have a smooth transition to one of his coaches (like Saunders). This ball club needs repairs, not rebuilding.

That said, I think CP can go and a couple of the defensive coaches as well. Can you say...... Guinta?

I'll let you buy my season tickets when Al Saunders gets named Head Coach.

RedandGold · 11-15-2004, 12:59 PM

As nice as it would be to do some house cleaning in the front office, about all I expect to see in the offseason is Vermeils retirement and the naming of Saunders as HC.

With as much money as Peterson makes for Lamar, he's got a job for as long as he wants to keep it.

Frankie · 11-15-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanman

So far this season the team has shown absolutely zero discipline, both with stupid penalties and blown assignments. In the end, the blame for both of those falls squarely on the head coach's shoulders, especially the dumb penalties part. The Chiefs play like a team that is not well-coached. Granted, they have talent deficiencies in many key areas but most bad players will not have penalties like the late-hit/taunting penalties yesterday.

And what exactly gives you hope looking at DV on the sideline? When I look at him when we're behind, he just looks flat-out confused. That doesn't really give me hope.

Off the field lack of discipline is poison. The On-field type is correctable. I still bet on a coach of Vermeil's stature to do the correcting.

go bo · 11-15-2004, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Off the field lack of discipline is poison. The On-field type is correctable. I still bet on a coach of Vermeil's stature to do the correcting.

bet, huh?

i bet you just like long shots...

really long long shots...

**The Bad Guy** · 11-15-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Off the field lack of discipline is poison. The On-field type is correctable. I still bet on a coach of Vermeil's stature to do the correcting.

You give Vermeil too much credit.

He's had 2 winning seasons out of the last 6. He does have a SB ring though.

Yeah, he's a great person, but I'm starting to doubt how great of a coach he is.

Every time he has a winning record its in the 3rd year of his "plan" and thats the year you get the softest schedule from being in the cellar the year before.

I like Vermeil, don't get me wrong, but his coaching legecy is beginning to become vastly overrated.

Mr. Laz · 11-15-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Knowing Peterson, Wannestadt is the first choice.

yep... prolly linda

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Swanman · 11-15-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Off the field lack of discipline is poison. The On-field type is correctable. I still bet on a coach of Vermeil's stature to do the correcting.

The coaching staff has had 3 years to correct the "correctable" lack of discipline. In most lines of work, if not all, if you haven't figured it out in 3 years, you'd be looking for a job. How many more times do we need to see a receiver streak down the middle of the field between our two safeties? That's stuff you should know when playing high school football, so it's real scary when our "pros" don't get the concept.

BigChiefFan · 11-15-2004, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

yep... prolly linda

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!!! You're no good, no good, no good, baby you're no good.

BigChiefFan · 11-15-2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

You're right...I also forgot Priest Holmes. He was a low tier 3rd down back when Carl went after him. However, Holmes foiled Carl's master plan.

I think you and I both know that Holmes was not considered a top-tier FA. It's great that he has turned out so great, but even Carl himself had no idea Holmes would be as phenomenal as he is. Again, Carl took the path of frugalness to address our HB woes.

11-15-2004, 09:54 AM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	"Why we need a new coach in '05" I really think DV has gotten to the point where he can't be objective enough when it comes to evaluating these players and asst. coaches in order to make the necessary changes for '05. Since the Vermiel era started, the Chiefs have rarely been the highest bidder when shopping for free agents. Instead, Vermiel has relied on his "family atmosphere" approach to appeal to the potential signees. But this offseason, if he's still here, he'll be a lame duck coach that UFA's know will not be back in '06. This will be a major obstacle in trying to woo free agents. For fans, and the organization as a whole, the lame duck season spells danger because anyone that we sign to big bucks may not fit in with the new coach coming in '06. So we might end up wasting cap money on guys who don't fit the new ('06) scheme. Finally, I think it's necessary for a new coach for '05 to come in from the outside to purge our roster of the guys who have sucked for 3-4 years now. We cannot be stuck with guys like Woods, Wesley, Warfield, Bartee, McCleon, Battle, Holliday, Hicks, Sims, etc. just because they're nice guys, or because they were high draft picks by the current staff, or because they were prize free agent signings by the current staff. We need someone who will study tape and objectively analyze our roster, and make the necessary changes, even if it means putting us in a bad cap situation for a year.
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11-15-2004, 12:49 PM	#35
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	DV is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Sure he has his eccentricities like all old coaches. But it still gives me hope when the I see him on the sideline when we are behind. I don't understand this thread. yeah, let's get rid of DV. I hear the saints coach might be looking for a job. He beat us yesterday right? Purging the coaches when we have an awesome 'O' and a great DC is not the way to go. Has anyone noticed we have perhaps the best O-line coach in the business? How would you like him to end up on the staff of one of our AFC rivals? When DV hangs it up, I hope we will have a smooth transition to one of his coaches (like Saunders). This ball club needs repairs, not rebuilding. That said, I think CP can go and a couple of the defensive coaches as well. Can you say...... Guinta?
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11-15-2004, 12:59 PM	#38
RedandGold Born with Bad Habits Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Right Here Casino cash: $2569109	As nice as it would be to do some house cleaning in the front office, about all I expect to see in the offseason is Vermeils retirement and the naming of Saunders as HC. With as much money as Peterson makes for Lamar, he's got a job for as long as he wants to keep it.
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