Alex Smith to ask for release

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I have no NO desire to see Alex Smith in a Chief uniform none. Same as it ever was. His age and he is a retread. I don't think he is the kind of QB you would ask to pass the ball 40+ times like Andy Reid is wanting to ask the QB to do. He relies on the run game and playaction. I don't see Alex Smith having the arm strength and have to rely on his arm that many times a game each and every week.

Having no desire to see him in KC and making shit up to support that viewpoint are two separate creatures.

Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb are two very very similar QBs and Reid had no problem asking Kolb to throw the football. Moreover, I think Smith is a smarter, more accurate passer than Kolb ever was. Kolb was held back by his tendency to be a gunslinger without the physical skills to pull it off; Smith is much smarter than that.

There are ample reasons to be against Alex Smith as a Chief. We have an unprecedented opportunity to aggressively pursue a franchise-altering QB and Alex Smith clearly has a limited ceiling. And Smith is going to be 29 next season and likely won't come terribly cheap in FA.

But to argue that Reid can't make a successful QB out of Alex Smith because Smith's never been asked to be a mad bomber is nuts. There's no reason that Reid couldn't use Smith like he used Kolb and get a much better version of him for his efforts.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Having no desire to see him in KC and making shit up to support that viewpoint are two separate creatures.

Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb are two very very similar QBs and Reid had no problem asking Kolb to throw the football. Moreover, I think Smith is a smarter, more accurate passer than Kolb ever was. Kolb was held back by his tendency to be a gunslinger without the physical skills to pull it off; Smith is much smarter than that.

There are ample reasons to be against Alex Smith as a Chief. We have an unprecedented opportunity to aggressively pursue a franchise-altering QB and Alex Smith clearly has a limited ceiling. And Smith is going to be 29 next season and likely won't come terribly cheap in FA.

But to argue that Reid can't make a successful QB out of Alex Smith because Smith's never been asked to be a mad bomber is nuts. There's no reason that Reid couldn't use Smith like he used Kolb and get a much better version of him for his efforts.

So Alex Smith at age 29 is suppose to reinvent himself as a passing QB with passing in a game more than 40 times? He is expected to be successeful that way with out relying on the run game first? Have you seen his frame of body? He starts getting sacked he wont last long.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

So Alex Smith at age 29 is suppose to reinvent himself as a passing QB with passing in a game more than 40 times? He is expected to be successeful that way with out relying on the run game first? Have you seen his frame of body? He starts getting sacked he wont last long.

How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.

That's what I'm afraid of. Game manager not game winner. Draft a quarterback with our first and quit bringing in retreads. True fans. I swear.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

That's what I'm afraid of. Game manager not game winner. Draft a quarterback with our first and quit bringing in retreads. True fans. I swear.

Blow me.

I've wanted Geno Smith for over a year and still do. But unlike you and some others, I'm not going to manipulate facts to fit my narrative.

Smith's a fine NFL quarterback. 'smaqe has the most legitimate concern of all - he may be just good enough to put us into quarterback purgatory, in fact. Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure.

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Blow me.

I've wanted Geno Smith for over a year and still do. But unlike you and some others, I'm not going to manipulate facts to fit my narrative.

Smith's a fine NFL quarterback. 'smaqe has the most legitimate concern of all - he may be just good enough to put us into quarterback purgatory, in fact. Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure.

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.

Alex Smith is an average quarterback and yes he could find success with Andy Reid I am not say he can't but the fear of exactly what htismaqe says holds the same for me. I am sick of retread QUARTERBACKS PERIOD! Alex Smith is no different than the quarterbacks we have seen for the past 30 years. Sick of it. Draft Geno #1 and we can start somewhere other than other teams rejects. We don't need to pay Alex Smith on this team, he wasn't good enough for 9ers why do we keep wanting bring in retreads? **** Alex Smith

**** Alex Smith

**** Alex Smith & the "true fan" that want's to bring him here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Alex Smith is an average quarterback and yes he could find success with Andy Reid I am not say he can't but the fear of exactly what htismaqe says holds the same for me. I am sick of retread QUARTERBACKS PERIOD! Alex Smith is no different than the quarterbacks we have seen for the past 30 years. Sick of it. Draft Geno #1 and we can start somewhere other than other teams rejects. We don't need to pay Alex Smith on this team, he wasn't good enough for 9ers why do we keep wanting bring in retreads? **** Alex Smith

**** Alex Smith

**** Alex Smith & the "true fan" that want's to bring him here.

Ah...so emotion and animus as the foundation for building a 53 man roster.

Got it.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.

Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.

That's really my point.

Yeah, I want Geno Smith in here, but that's not going to stop me from looking objectively at Alex Smith. And you bring up a very good name with Trent Green - they're very similar players and Trent Green was not the reason we failed under Vermeil.

One can argue strongly in favor of Geno without having to shit on Alex. Geno is a good enough prospect to succeed on his merits and win on argument solely on the strength of same. As this is an Alex Smith thread and not yet another Geno Smith thread, shouldn't we try to discuss Smith in a vacuum? Or at least with some degree of objectivity?

Alex Smith could easily be another Trent Green for us. And while that's not as sexy as being the next Aaron Rodgers - there's value in it.

I'll be damn bummed out if we go with Alex over Geno. But there's some chicken salad that could eventually be made out of it.

And with the loads of chicken shit we've been shoveled over the last 1/2 decade, a little chicken salad would be a nice start.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.

This is kind of where I'm at.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.

I agree. I want to draft a QB #1 and have a shitty backup (Cassel esqe) that way when the young QB struggles I don't have to hear idiot Chiefs fans wanting the backup to play, which is what will happen if Alex Smith or Flynn is here.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Blow me.

I've wanted Geno Smith for over a year and still do. But unlike you and some others, I'm not going to manipulate facts to fit my narrative.

Smith's a fine NFL quarterback. 'smaqe has the most legitimate concern of all - he may be just good enough to put us into quarterback purgatory, in fact. Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure.

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.

Esto.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.

People here are sorely underrating Alex Smith. He was drafted when he was for a reason. Unfortunately he had to go through the same situation Gabbert is, and it makes it extremely hard for a QB to develop.

But once a QB like that finally Clicks, they rarely let it go. I'm not saying he will throw 4k yards consistently and 30TDs, but he will be a solid QB.