Chiefs Gonzalez needs to come home - Page 7

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 12:00 PM

Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbAVA?u...as-city-chiefs

The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team.

Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over.

Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline.

Do I need to connect the dots any more than that?

There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why:

1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez

The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays.

2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez

The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez.

3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High

I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity.

4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found

I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines.

5. The Timing Is Right

The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits.

6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often

As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all.

7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up

Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that?

Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey.

Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs!

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Bwana** · 10-28-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yea...let's trade a draft pick for a guy who wanted to retire last year, and is already counting down the games until his real retirement...

He also wanted to be traded when the Chiefs went through some tough times. I get the whole I love Tony thing, but I have a hard time forgetting why he left in the first place. To be honest, I would be surprised if our GM would go after him and drop a draft pick. We're already down a 2nd for the next draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-28-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

was our problem yesterday a) players getting open for big pass plays or b) our QB overthrowing said players?

your answer will determine how you feel about trading away draft picks for a player already dreaming of retirement...

I don't believe they will trade us Ryan...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-28-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

If we're determined to acquire another target, I'd be calling a much more hopeless and desperate Jaguars team about acquiring Justin Blackmon.

Sure they'll pay a lot more for him, but he will still be around once Spring comes.

Cockmon would be devastated.

Do it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-28-2013, 02:04 PM

One thing correct about the OP:

****a must go.

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

You aren't holding aces. You may have a pair of 9s or 10s.

At 8-0, there isnt a better hand out there.

-King- · 10-28-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Yes, it's mortgaging a part of the future. Every 5th round pick isn't a Dante Hall or a Brandon Carr or a Kendrick Lewis or a Joe Horn, but some of them are.

That's like passing up a job to buy a lottery ticket.

What's the likelihood of the draftpick being more valuable than TG through 9+ games?

I'm thinking less than 10%. Maybe even 5.

patteeu · 10-28-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

At 8-0, there isnt a better hand out there.

I bet that if you polled Chiefsplanet and asked them whether they'd rather have the Alex Smith Chiefs at 8-0 or the Peyton Manning Broncos at 7-1, there'd be plenty of people who would choose the 7-1 hand. In fact, tk13 posted a poll yesterday asking which AFC team was the best and on a Chiefs fan site the Chiefs only pulled 53% of the vote. (Denver got 30%)

BryanBusby · 10-28-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Cockmon would be devastated.

Do it.

Shit not only that, he tore up the Broncos for damn near 200 yards a few weeks ago.

patteeu · 10-28-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

That's like passing up a job to buy a lottery ticket.

What's the likelihood of the draftpick being more valuable than TG through 9+ games?

I'm thinking less than 10%. Maybe even 5.

It's more like passing up a meal to get some job training. The training may or may not lead to a job, but the meal (and the opportunity for the training) will be gone tomorrow.

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I bet that if you polled Chiefsplanet and asked them whether they'd rather have the Alex Smith Chiefs at 8-0 or the Peyton Manning Broncos at 7-1, there'd be plenty of people who would choose the 7-1 hand. In fact, tk13 posted a poll yesterday asking which AFC team was the best and on a Chiefs fan site the Chiefs only pulled 53% of the vote. (Denver got 30%)

OK, lets say we are 10s and Denver is AK, when holding 10s, you need to do everything you can to push out the AK to win the hand. So while some people think its better to have AK, 10s are better barely, and they can win if you can get rid of the AK. But you have to get aggressive and put your chips in the middle

**HemiEd** · 10-28-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

The media's been bleating about this for a few weeks now. In all that time, I haven't heard Gonzalez say anything but "I want to stay in Atlanta." Not a peep about his time in Kansas City, not a word about how much he appreciated the fans, not a sound about his legacy as a Chief. Why?

Because he doesn't give a **** about Kansas City. Or its fans. Or his legacy as a Chief. He cares about his legacy as Tony Gonzalez. The end.

If he comes back, he comes back. I'll welcome him because we need him. But if Arrowhead had been swallowed by a giant sinkhole yesterday when it was full of fans, he wouldn't have given two shits.

All true. He also must have his front parking spot.

I think it would be justice for him to come back to a Chiefs team with this record though, since he wanted out so he could be on a playoff winning team.

Maybe they could trade Arenas for him?? Oh wait..........wasn't Arenas that was drafted with the pick the Chiefs got for him?

patteeu · 10-28-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

OK, lets say we are 10s and Denver is AK, when holding 10s, you need to do everything you can to push out the AK to win the hand. So while some people think its better to have AK, 10s are better barely, and they can win if you can get rid of the AK. But you have to get aggressive and put your chips in the middle

Your poker analogy is over my head at this point so I'm going to have to bail on it even though I still don't think a trade for Gonzales is a good gamble unless compensation is contingent on the desired result (which is very unlikely to happen).

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Your poker analogy is over my head at this point so I'm going to have to bail on it even though I still don't think a trade for Gonzales is a good gamble unless compensation is contingent on the desired result (which is very unlikely to happen).

Basically when you are a dealt a great hand, you need to be aggressive, play it right for the win. You cant sit back and go, well this pair is good enough to win. Its not if you dont put the screws to the other players.

BlackHelicopters · 10-28-2013, 02:17 PM

6th sounds about right

Down4Chiefs · 10-28-2013, 02:34 PM

They had me at "get rid of Dunta".

10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	Gonzalez needs to come home Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm. http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbAVA?u...as-city-chiefs The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over. Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline. Do I need to connect the dots any more than that? There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why: 1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays. 2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez. 3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity. 4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines. 5. The Timing Is Right The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits. 6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all. 7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that? Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey. Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs! As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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