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Old 01-30-2013, 04:39 PM   #1
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I don't agree with his views, but he will be persecuted for telling the truth. That is as wrong as his homophobia to me. People feel how they feel. The PC bullshit is out of control, and we are about to have a cookie cutter society where no one ever says what they think, and instead give the canned acceptable response.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:42 PM   #2
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I don't agree with his views, but he will be persecuted for telling the truth. That is as wrong as his homophobia to me. People feel how they feel. The PC bullshit is out of control, and we are about to have a cookie cutter society where no one ever says what they think, and instead give the canned acceptable response.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:56 PM   #3
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I don't agree with his views, but he will be persecuted for telling the truth. That is as wrong as his homophobia to me. People feel how they feel. The PC bullshit is out of control, and we are about to have a cookie cutter society where no one ever says what they think, and instead give the canned acceptable response.
You posted my own thoughts, so I'll just quote your post and nod my head in agreement. Hate the views, but respect the honesty.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:18 PM   #4
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You posted my own thoughts, so I'll just quote your post and nod my head in agreement. Hate the views, but respect the honesty.
I don't "respect the honesty" at all. Sure, I don't think he should be persecuted, and I'm not particularly shocked by his statements, but he's still a bigot. Being a loudmouthed bigot doesn't garner any extra respect.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:23 PM   #5
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I don't "respect the honesty" at all. Sure, I don't think he should be persecuted, and I'm not particularly shocked by his statements, but he's still a bigot. Being a loudmouthed bigot doesn't garner any extra respect.
And everyone who calls people a bigot for saying that kind of thing is a hypocrite because they too in turn, disagree vehemently with the ideology in which someone lives their life.

I personally hate the whole "tolerance" bullshit when this topic comes up. And I don't give a crap about gay people. What you do in the privacy of your bedroom, so long as it's between consenting adults, is your business and you're welcome to it. But if someone doesn't like gays it doesn't make them a bigot anymore than a guy who doesn't like tall chics or chics with flat asses.

Not everyone has to be tolerant of everything, and it should also be just fine for someone to disagree with someone else's lifestyle choice and say they don't like it, and people be ok with them saying that. THAT is real tolerance.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:30 PM   #6
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And everyone who calls people a bigot for saying that kind of thing is a hypocrite because they too in turn, disagree vehemently with the ideology in which someone lives their life.

I personally hate the whole "tolerance" bullshit when this topic comes up. And I don't give a crap about gay people. What you do in the privacy of your bedroom, so long as it's between consenting adults, is your business and you're welcome to it. But if someone doesn't like gays it doesn't make them a bigot anymore than a guy who doesn't like tall chics or chics with flat asses.

Not everyone has to be tolerant of everything, and it should also be just fine for someone to disagree with someone else's lifestyle choice and say they don't like it, and people be ok with them saying that. THAT is real tolerance.
People who want someone removed from their place of employment for being gay are bigots. It has nothing to do with "disagreeing vehemently with the ideology in which someone lives their life." That is an absurd definition. Here's an actual one:

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Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:32 PM   #7
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People who want someone removed from their place of employment for being gay are bigots. It has nothing to do with "disagreeing vehemently with the ideology in which someone lives their life." That is an absurd definition. Here's an actual one:
So is one that treats religious people with intolerance, as we often see on this board (I am not religious), also a bigot?
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:34 PM   #8
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So is one that treats religious people with intolerance, as we often see on this board (I am not religious), also a bigot?
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:34 PM   #9
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So is one that treats religious people with intolerance, as we often see on this board (I am not religious), also a bigot?
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:05 PM   #10
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And everyone who calls people a bigot for saying that kind of thing is a hypocrite because they too in turn, disagree vehemently with the ideology in which someone lives their life.

I personally hate the whole "tolerance" bullshit when this topic comes up. And I don't give a crap about gay people. What you do in the privacy of your bedroom, so long as it's between consenting adults, is your business and you're welcome to it. But if someone doesn't like gays it doesn't make them a bigot anymore than a guy who doesn't like tall chics or chics with flat asses.

Not everyone has to be tolerant of everything, and it should also be just fine for someone to disagree with someone else's lifestyle choice and say they don't like it, and people be ok with them saying that. THAT is real tolerance.
You'll get skewered for your position. Those demanding tolerance are usually among the least tolerant people you know, because the only tolerance they're really demanding is tolerance of their positions at the expense of all others.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:15 PM   #11
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You'll get skewered for your position. Those demanding tolerance are usually among the least tolerant people you know, because the only tolerance they're really demanding is tolerance of their positions at the expense of all others.
This idea that we're supposed to tolerate intolerance is complete nonsense, and I'm really sick of people pushing it as though it's some kind of brilliant counterpoint.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:29 PM   #12
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This idea that we're supposed to tolerate intolerance is complete nonsense, and I'm really sick of people pushing it as though it's some kind of brilliant counterpoint.
MFing REP. At least Guardian has the balls to flat out blame all Muslims for terrorism.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:08 PM   #13
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This idea that we're supposed to tolerate intolerance is complete nonsense, and I'm really sick of people pushing it as though it's some kind of brilliant counterpoint.
I didn't claim to be tossing out pearls, but it's certainly more brilliant than the bullshit you're peddling.

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Old 01-31-2013, 06:07 PM   #14
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This idea that we're supposed to tolerate intolerance is complete nonsense, and I'm really sick of people pushing it as though it's some kind of brilliant counterpoint.
That's intolerance of intolerance and I'm sick of it.
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And everyone who calls people a bigot for saying that kind of thing is a hypocrite because they too in turn, disagree vehemently with the ideology in which someone lives their life.

I personally hate the whole "tolerance" bullshit when this topic comes up. And I don't give a crap about gay people. What you do in the privacy of your bedroom, so long as it's between consenting adults, is your business and you're welcome to it. But if someone doesn't like gays it doesn't make them a bigot anymore than a guy who doesn't like tall chics or chics with flat asses.

Not everyone has to be tolerant of everything, and it should also be just fine for someone to disagree with someone else's lifestyle choice and say they don't like it, and people be ok with them saying that. THAT is real tolerance.
I have a real hard time tolerating a type of person, well actually I loath them & hate is bout the best word to describe the feeling. The worst part of it is that my brother is one. Talk about awkward lol It's sadly true tho and I still have to "accept" him for who he is, doesn't mean I like it. I don't even like to admit this on his part but my brother is a Raiders fan.

Why dammet WHY? I hate Raiders & I hate Broncos those kind of peoples make me sick SICK I SAY. Should I tollerate and love my brother? ? ? IDK?
I ask that question every day. Per shame he bestowed my family per shame.
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