Installing a passenger side mirror?

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

You won't get better work from Jason, that's guaranteed, but what you seem to have misunderstood, or not even read, is the fact that I ran the small time shop business, I opened two of them. I know how the entirety of the industry works, and if not for my stealership offer, or my partner getting his stealership offer, I'd still be in business at that location, instead of calverts.

What I don't understand, is how you can devalue Education and Certification.

Imagine 75 Jasons, 5 times smarter than he is now, instructing me on how everything in the automotive industry works, now apply that for around 6 years of schooling and training.


Now understand that Jason doesn't have that education or training.

That's the difference between he and I, and in all honesty, I'll have the better price, better product, and better customer service BECAUSE of my education and training.

"old time" folks like yourself might remember a term long forgotten.

"Paying your dues".

I've paid mine, and then some.

Don't jump on my case because I took a job at a stealership, my work isn't dishonest, just as my work in my own shop wasn't dishonest before that.

OK. All that.

Jason would get my business cause he isnt a certified highly decorated jackass. Paying your dues does not imply I have to pay for the dues you paid. Your education and certificates quite honestly mean zero as it relates to customer service. You won't have a better price. And your work can be no better than equal. A spark piug installed by you is no better installed than one by me, Jason or the OP.

There is a difference between a competent mechanic and an incompetent mechanic. However the final product when comparing two competent mechanics is the same. Its a generic. The difference is how we get there and what we pay for the trip.

I have no said you are dishonest at all. I think you are quite the opposite. You have been very honest. You can charge a high shop rate because you are in a city dealership. In more rural areas the market wont tolerate your rates. You use book hours that you inflate. Thats cool, thats how the latte machines and the uniform service gets paid to clean your shirt. You have top flight techs that get bonused for beating the book time making you even more.

My observation is that you have a compulsive need to denigrate the ability, competence and customer service delivered by the guy in the independent shop in Nevada or Clinton, or wherever or the guy in the dealership in Butler or Garden City Kansas cause they are small town rubes.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

OK. All that.

Jason would get my business cause he isnt a certified highly decorated jackass. Paying your dues does not imply I have to pay for the dues you paid. Your education and certificates quite honestly mean zero as it relates to customer service. You won't have a better price. And your work can be no better than equal. A spark piug installed by you is no better installed than one by me, Jason or the OP.

There is a difference between a competent mechanic and an incompetent mechanic. However the final product when comparing two competent mechanics is the same. Its a generic. The difference is how we get there and what we pay for the trip.

I have no said you are dishonest at all. I think you are quite the opposite. You have been very honest. You can charge a high shop rate because you are in a city dealership. In more rural areas the market wont tolerate your rates. You use book hours that you inflate. Thats cool, thats how the latte machines and the uniform service gets paid to clean your shirt. You have top flight techs that get bonused for beating the book time making you even more.

My observation is that you have a compulsive need to denigrate the ability, competence and customer service delivered by the guy in the independent shop in Nevada or Clinton, or wherever or the guy in the dealership in Butler or Garden City Kansas cause they are small town rubes.

There are two parts to your post that are wrong.

1. That is exactly what you pay for, me having paid my dues. Do people go to an expensive Salon because they want to throw away money? Or do you think they want THE BEST haircut possible, regardless of the fact that it can be done as well at great clips.

Chances are, that stylist went to a very expensive school and was an understudy for some very popular and important artists before they got their job, and yes, they went to school for it and paid. So now they're taking in the dough for the dues they paid.

That same stylist at Walmart probably graduated from a 60 day or 90 day "beautician course" and earned their right to cut hair, not the same education, but that stylist wouldn't have a shot at working for the expensive salon, just as the stylist at the expensive salon wouldn't work at great clips unless they absolutely had to. Same applies here.

Same applies to the practices of law, practices of banking and trading.

2. You think I am against small business, yet I am just the opposite, I'm all for small business. One can argue that I'm actually detracting from my current employer, driving customers away to smaller businesses because it'll cost less to have the same work done.

I am all for the small businessman, I've created two small businesses already, and I hope to start the paperwork on my third very soon. I support small business in a way you might never understand because you aren't up to date on my day to day doings like some others might be, but trust me, I've done as much as I could possible due to add to the small business community, including an AMA on reddit, as well as hundreds of long, thoughtful posts on the entrepreneur section on thoughts and suggestions for people to run their business, or run it better.

I'm probably small business' #1 supporter on this website, I just have disdain for Jason because he attacked me first and hasn't let up because he's a ****tard and according to him I'm an "over-educated knowitall", as if you could ever be over-educated in life.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Pablo

B.S. in engineering or such to get that auto technician title, Exoter?

Trolling hard now aren't we?

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

no I didn't...

I was told it was a 5 minute job...I was hoping $20 would do the trick. I went in today and didn't even bother. Wasn't worth it to me. I made this thread to make sure I wouldn't offend anyone by submitting such an offer...this thread told me it wasn't even worth the attempt.

Go read the first 50 posts of this thread and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE quote the post in question. PLEASE, IT SHOULD BE EASY. JUST DO IT.

and when I went to the Dallas, TX Audi dealership to spend $1500 on something to get my car fixed...I can assure you I didn't see a bunch of fancy degrees on the wall...and I didn't think to myself "oh shit, there are no degrees on the wall! These guys are going to **** up my car!"

I did think, "yeah, I'm going to get ****ed here...this is the god damn dealership."

but my dad kept such good care of this car and he told me to get the oil changed at Audi, to not be a cheap asshole and put premium gas in the car, and to get all of the work done at the actual dealership so I listened to him.

I, however, felt as if I didn't need to go spend $500 at the dealership to get a new mirror...you know, since it's the passenger side mirror and it isn't illegal in Illinois to drive without one....

after the hail damage ruined the appeal of the car to me (it was a ****ing nice car before it got hailed on)...I no longer feel the need for it to be a fancy, luxury car and that's why I researched around and bought my own mirror that cost 1/3 of the money it would have when I got a quote from Audi.

Sorry, not reading that 235,231,388 character response, just pointing out that you weren't told it would take 5 minutes, by a technician. Just a joe schmoe. And you're wrong about just about everything you just wrote.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Exoter...I expect your next post to have a quote in it that backs up this ludicrous statement:

"You said, "if it costs more than 20 bucks I'll have my friend do it for free" on top of ranting about prices and literally crying like a stuck pig about how unfair it was that you couldn't get it done at a reasonable price with your car already in the shop."

Why would I quote it? You could easily go to the first page or two and read your own post yourself.

Originally Posted by -King-

One of these days, we'll have to call our mechanics "Doctor".

That could be very true.

And the sad thing is, it'll be the cheapest you will ever pay for a doctors visit, out of pocket.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Why would I quote it? You could easily go to the first page or two and read your own post yourself.

So do it...

and if it's found, and everyone was like 'omg Peyton's Princess was PWNED' I'll admit I was wrong and not post 1 more time in this thread (after the admission).

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

There are two parts to your post that are wrong.

1. That is exactly what you pay for, me having paid my dues. Do people go to an expensive Salon because they want to throw away money? Or do you think they want THE BEST haircut possible, regardless of the fact that it can be done as well at great clips.

Chances are, that stylist went to a very expensive school and was an understudy for some very popular and important artists before they got their job, and yes, they went to school for it and paid. So now they're taking in the dough for the dues they paid.

That same stylist at Walmart probably graduated from a 60 day or 90 day "beautician course" and earned their right to cut hair, not the same education, but that stylist wouldn't have a shot at working for the expensive salon, just as the stylist at the expensive salon wouldn't work at great clips unless they absolutely had to. Same applies here.

Same applies to the practices of law, practices of banking and trading.

2. You think I am against small business, yet I am just the opposite, I'm all for small business. One can argue that I'm actually detracting from my current employer, driving customers away to smaller businesses because it'll cost less to have the same work done.

I am all for the small businessman, I've created two small businesses already, and I hope to start the paperwork on my third very soon. I support small business in a way you might never understand because you aren't up to date on my day to day doings like some others might be, but trust me, I've done as much as I could possible due to add to the small business community, including an AMA on reddit, as well as hundreds of long, thoughtful posts on the entrepreneur section on thoughts and suggestions for people to run their business, or run it better.

I'm probably small business' #1 supporter on this website, I just have disdain for Jason because he attacked me first and hasn't let up because he's a ****tard and according to him I'm an "over-educated knowitall", as if you could ever be over-educated in life.

Wow. You are the man.

Now where did I say you were against small business? You work for a small business. I own a small business. I never said you were against small business.

I would assume you would go to hairstylist. Most mechanics, farmers, and others still go to barbers. But someone of your stature in your industry needs that extra flair. Not sure how your haircut became a point where I was wrong but thats ok.

Who does your hair anyway? Ill bet it looks marvelous!