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Old 02-19-2013, 10:43 AM   #1
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Alex Smith isn't winning shit.
Shenanigans.

Alex Smith was a fumbling kick returner away from a SB in 2011. When he went down in 2012 he was leading the NFL in passer efficiency and got benched for a guy that was just a hell of a lot more dynamic than Alex. Y'know what? Kaepernick's a hell of a lot more dynamic than Geno is as well.

Give Smith a good team and he can get you to 12 wins. And yes, it's absolutely possible that he could get hot like Flacco and take a team to the SB - he should have in 2011.

I'm getting really tired of people that feel that have to slam Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith. All that does is diminish Geno. Alex Smith would be as good as Trent Green was in KC under Andy Reid, I honestly believe that. Geno has the upside to be the top 10 guy that Alex doesn't, but that doesn't mean Alex is crap.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:57 AM   #2
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Shenanigans.

Alex Smith was a fumbling kick returner away from a SB in 2011. When he went down in 2012 he was leading the NFL in passer efficiency and got benched for a guy that was just a hell of a lot more dynamic than Alex. Y'know what? Kaepernick's a hell of a lot more dynamic than Geno is as well.

Give Smith a good team and he can get you to 12 wins. And yes, it's absolutely possible that he could get hot like Flacco and take a team to the SB - he should have in 2011.

I'm getting really tired of people that feel that have to slam Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith. All that does is diminish Geno. Alex Smith would be as good as Trent Green was in KC under Andy Reid, I honestly believe that. Geno has the upside to be the top 10 guy that Alex doesn't, but that doesn't mean Alex is crap.
I'm not slamming Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith.

I'm slamming Alex Smith because he DESERVES IT.

His brief 20-game stint under Harbaugh is the EXCEPTION for his career, not the rule.

There is zero reason, other than blind faith, to believe he'll recreate 2011-2012 once he's removed from the Harbaugh environment.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:10 AM   #3
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I'm not slamming Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith.

I'm slamming Alex Smith because he DESERVES IT.

His brief 20-game stint under Harbaugh is the EXCEPTION for his career, not the rule.

There is zero reason, other than blind faith, to believe he'll recreate 2011-2012 once he's removed from the Harbaugh environment.
Nonsense.

First off, his "brief 20 game stint" was actually 26 games in a career that is only 80 games long. In other words, that 'brief stint' was actually the latter 1/3 of his career, which just so happened to coincide with the beginning of his athletic prime.

Beyond that, he put up solid numbers in 2009 and 2010 under Singletary as well. That was coming off a serious shoulder injury and with the most overmatched head coach in football running the show.

Yeah, he had a lousy start to his career. But for 4 consecutive seasons he's improved. His decisionmaking is strong, his accuracy is above average. He's mobile in the pocket and he is a good leader.

If you start from his 2010 baseline, then adjust it for things he has actually learned under Harbaugh, as well as working under a HC that actually knows how to run an offense and can work to his strengths, why is it crazy to think he couldn't improve by about 10% from where he was pre-Harbaugh?

If he does, that puts his passer rating in the high 80s. Again, it's not elite, but yes you can win with that guy. All he's lacking is a cannon of an arm but he does a lot of other things extremely well.

I remain hopeful that this is just a visceral reaction from you that's really just a back-alley defense of Geno Smith. Otherwise you're left with simply talking out your ass. There is ample evidence to suggest that Alex Smith can be a solid QB in this league.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:26 AM   #4
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I remain hopeful that this is just a visceral reaction from you that's really just a back-alley defense of Geno Smith. Otherwise you're left with simply talking out your ass. There is ample evidence to suggest that Alex Smith can be a solid QB in this league.
It's not a back-alley defense of Geno Smith but it absolutely is a visceral reaction.

I've lived through Steve Deberg, Dave Krieg, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, and on and on all the way up to Cassel and Quinn.

The thought of bringing in ANOTHER cast-off from another team and hoping for the best just makes me want to puke.

You can sit here and make all the objective, stat-filled arguments you want. 25 years of Chiefs history tells me Alex Smith in KC is destined to fail.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:32 AM   #5
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It's not a back-alley defense of Geno Smith but it absolutely is a visceral reaction.

I've lived through Steve Deberg, Dave Krieg, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, and on and on all the way up to Cassel and Quinn.

The thought of bringing in ANOTHER cast-off from another team and hoping for the best just makes me want to puke.

You can sit here and make all the objective, stat-filled arguments you want. 25 years of Chiefs history tells me Alex Smith in KC is destined to fail.
Fair enough. But dammit, at some point we're going to roll 7s, I am firmly convinced of this.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:34 AM   #6
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Fair enough. But dammit, at some point we're going to roll 7s, I am firmly convinced of this.
Sorry, but I don't have 30 more years to wait.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:35 AM   #7
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Fair enough. But dammit, at some point we're going to roll 7s, I am firmly convinced of this.
Maybe.

All I know if the Chiefs keep up with this horrid betting strategy on the dice table, then I'm going to go play blackjack.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:12 AM   #8
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I'm not slamming Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith.

I'm slamming Alex Smith because he DESERVES IT.

His brief 20-game stint under Harbaugh is the EXCEPTION for his career, not the rule.

There is zero reason, other than blind faith, to believe he'll recreate 2011-2012 once he's removed from the Harbaugh environment.
I'm not going to argue for Alex, but I will say is that "brief" 20 months was also his most recent 20 months. Perhaps experience and maturity are a part of his recent success? I would also very much like to believe that the Harbaugh environment isn't much better than the Reid environment when it comes to quarterbacks.
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Shenanigans.

Alex Smith was a fumbling kick returner away from a SB in 2011. When he went down in 2012 he was leading the NFL in passer efficiency and got benched for a guy that was just a hell of a lot more dynamic than Alex. Y'know what? Kaepernick's a hell of a lot more dynamic than Geno is as well.

Give Smith a good team and he can get you to 12 wins. And yes, it's absolutely possible that he could get hot like Flacco and take a team to the SB - he should have in 2011.

I'm getting really tired of people that feel that have to slam Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith. All that does is diminish Geno. Alex Smith would be as good as Trent Green was in KC under Andy Reid, I honestly believe that. Geno has the upside to be the top 10 guy that Alex doesn't, but that doesn't mean Alex is crap.
Please refresh my memory, what did Trent Green win again?
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Please refresh my memory, what did Trent Green win again?
With all due respect, I don't think there are very many QB's, living or dead, that could have won a playoff game with the Chiefs defense from 2001-2005.
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With all due respect, I don't think there are very many QB's, living or dead, that could have won a playoff game with the Chiefs defense from 2001-2005.
Trent is like a fine wine. He is getting better with age. He was a great guy and there is no denying that, but he wasn't all that special of a QB. The running game behind that OL was the real strength.

I think back to the playoff game with Indy, where there were no punts. Obviously, the Indy Defense was not much better than the Chiefs, as an offensive pass interference call on Tony was the difference.
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Please refresh my memory, what did Trent Green win again?
Oh for ****s sake - that's the best you have?

You're right, it was Trent Green's fault we didn't win anything. It had nothing to do with the career day defense.

When people make shitty arguments, they detract from the good ones. Yours is one of the former.
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Oh for ****s sake - that's the best you have?

You're right, it was Trent Green's fault we didn't win anything. It had nothing to do with the career day defense.

When people make shitty arguments, they detract from the good ones. Yours is one of the former.
I really didn't think your post deserved my best shot. You said Alex Smith could be Trent Green, and I don't want another Trent Green. Why settle for another Trent Green?

So you really think Trent Green was a SB quality QB? Seriously? Like I said, he is getting better with age.

No doubt, he was a pillar of the community and a great guy, but he did have a lot of faults behind center. Like when he was rushed he would overthrow the ball repeatedly.
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I really didn't think your post deserved my best shot. You said Alex Smith could be Trent Green, and I don't want another Trent Green. Why settle for another Trent Green?

So you really think Trent Green was a SB quality QB? Seriously? Like I said, he is getting better with age.

No doubt, he was a pillar of the community and a great guy, but he did have a lot of faults behind center. Like when he was rushed he would overthrow the ball repeatedly.
You overstate SB caliber.

Trent Green was easily as good at his peak as Joe Flacco is now.
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You overstate SB caliber.

Trent Green was easily as good at his peak as Joe Flacco is now.
You really think so? I don't, but I guess that is ok, opinions.

Do you think Trent threw as good of a deep ball? As accurate? As composed?

That being said, Flacco winning the SB this year has given a lot of second tier QBs hope, since it wasn't a Manning or Luck caliber getting the win.
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