BIG 12 AND SEC PLAY EACH OTHER

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

I know arguing with you is pointless, so I'll make it brief.

The KU/MU rivalry is important to both schools. Regardless of what has been said, it's going to happen again and eventually, it will end up a yearly thing - at least in basketball. Although I'd love to see KU football take some huge steps and make football part of the equation as well. Might as well get used to the idea of it now.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

The Colorado bball game on KU's schedule says hi......CU did leave the Big XII, remember?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

And right on cue yesterday in the KC Star:





“We miss Missouri … Without question … For the immediate future, for both programs, there is something missing — for the immediate future,” Kansas coach Bill Self said Thursday in his office. “But from our standpoint, they’re not part of our long-term future. And we’re not part of their long-term future.”

“My opinion is still the exact same it was a year ago, and it’s not a hatred opinion,” Self said. “It’s just like, ‘Hey, you took your ball and went and played with somebody else. We’re not just standing on the sidelines waiting to play with you. We’ve got other people we can play.’”

As for down the road?

“Maybe the next coach may see it differently, or maybe the next chancellor, or maybe the next athletic director,” Self said, “because time does have a way of soothing some things.”

But even as time might ease tensions, it also might foster apathy.

“Nobody’s going to view it as a great rivalry five years from now; nobody’s going to view it as a rivalry 10 years from now,” Self said. “There will be somebody else who will emerge in some way, shape or form that kind of fills that role for both programs.

“And it may not ever get to the level that the Kansas-Missouri deal got to. It probably won’t. I don’t see how it can. But it’s still going to be somebody else.”



Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/06/07...#storylink=cpy

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

I'd rather see it like a week long challenge of nothing but Big 12/SEC games. Would make it more interesting and honestly, a fun ass week.

Other than that, I agree with the rest of your post. It's kind of a way for the rivalries to be put back together (as they should be) without either team losing face. Like you said, "we don't control the scheduling of this Big 12/SEC challenge".

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I'd rather see it like a week long challenge of nothing but Big 12/SEC games. Would make it more interesting and honestly, a fun ass week.

Other than that, I agree with the rest of your post. It's kind of a way for the rivalries to be put back together (as they should be) without either team losing face. Like you said, "we don't control the scheduling of this Big 12/SEC challenge".

I think we totally agree. If it were set up such that the games were all played around the same time, it would be great. Ten games spread out over five weeks is pointless.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I think we totally agree. If it were set up such that the games were all played around the same time, it would be great. Ten games spread out over five weeks is pointless.

Yeah, that was poor wording on my part because we do actually agree on it all.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Yeah, that was poor wording on my part because we do actually agree on it all.

I may need to reconsider my opinion, then...

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

This is so fantastically stupid, I'm honestly surprised you posted it. I coudln't even read the entirety it was so dumb. You're not a dumb person so I don't know why you posted this, unless you are trolling.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

This is so fantastically stupid, I'm honestly surprised you posted it. I coudln't even read the entirety it was so dumb. You're not a dumb person so I don't know why you posted this, unless you are trolling.

So what do you think led us to this fantastic event in which all of the Big 12 teams play some of the SEC teams in mostly boring matchups spread out over a five week span? Were fans left not knowing what to do with themselves since they couldn't hold their traditional Big 12/PAC 12 challenge parties until Bowelsby hatched a plan? Is the Texas vs Vanderbilt game going to spark a blood feud? Are the LSU fans pissed off that they have to wait until next year to get in on this action? Have you printed off a scoreboard for this "challenge"?

It's nothing more than greasing the skids for some rivalry games to restart without making the "never again" crowd look sillier than they already do.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So what do you think led us to this fantastic event in which all of the Big 12 teams play some of the SEC teams in mostly boring matchups spread out over a five week span? Were fans left not knowing what to do with themselves since they couldn't hold their traditional Big 12/PAC 12 challenge parties until Bowelsby hatched a plan? Is the Texas vs Vanderbilt game going to spark a blood feud? Are the LSU fans pissed off that they have to wait until next year to get in on this action? Have you printed off a scoreboard for this "challenge"?

It's nothing more than greasing the skids for some rivalry games to restart without making the "never again" crowd look sillier than they already do.

Rivalry games = Money. Universities love money that will win over hurt feelings.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Rivalry games = Money. Universities love money that will win over hurt feelings.

The money isn't in 'rivalry games', its in TV packages. If you were correct then schools wouldn't be leaving their rivalry games left & right, but they did. Besides only a few rivalries have nationwide TV appeal anyway.

[BourbonMan]

PRISON BITCH AND SAUL GOOD..Could you please not turn this into another KU/MU pissing match!!!
I think this concept of playing other conferences for non-com is a great idea, it reminds me of the NFL...For example:
The AFC WEST have games against another AFC Divisions AND also play a couple of games against an NFC Division, the following years it switches to other divisions.
We could have the makings of something like that starting in the College ranks, SEC plays BIG12....Next year SEC plays PAC12, BIG12 plays BIG10..AND SO ON, AND SO ON.
This would eleminate playing CREAM PUFFS for NON-COM games, the only people getting hurt would be the Smaller Conferences and Schools.

MODS, if possible, could you please change the PREFIX so it doesn't reflect MIZZOU, just change it to BASKETBALL.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So what do you think led us to this fantastic event in which all of the Big 12 teams play some of the SEC teams in mostly boring matchups spread out over a five week span? Were fans left not knowing what to do with themselves since they couldn't hold their traditional Big 12/PAC 12 challenge parties until Bowelsby hatched a plan? Is the Texas vs Vanderbilt game going to spark a blood feud? Are the LSU fans pissed off that they have to wait until next year to get in on this action? Have you printed off a scoreboard for this "challenge"?.

The simple explanation is that the SEC wants to improve it's non-con basketball scheduling (Slive even talked about it recently, I'm sure you missed it because it was basketball related). The ACC-BIG already have a "challenge" so it's pretty much the Big 12 left sitting at the bar for last call.


And of course, the Big 12 wants to attach itself to the SEC as often as it can so we'll always put out.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The new arrangement is obviously a trojan horse to set up old rivalries. And what better proof of that is the MU match up with W. Virginia?

Oh man. I should have addressed that issue.

Aw shit... I totally addressed that issue.

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

[Saul Good]

I suppose another way to look at it is that this brings us one (tiny) step closer to Slive's vision of a world without mid-majors. It will be interesting to see if he tries to put together an alliance with multiple conferences.

It would be cool if all of the major conferences did this with each other...maybe even x 2. Each major conference team would play two games against teams from each of the major conferences; one home game and one road game each season (not the same team for both games).

That would make for some great games and would still only take up 8 non-conference games per season.