NBA Offseason thread 2013 edition

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RustShack

I can see it working. Kobe just doesn't play well with others, and there were too many stars in LA. Plus thier systems sucked for them. In Orlando he didn't have enough help. Harden played just fine with Durant and Westbrook, and I think he's a perfect fit for Howard.

There is no excuse for what Howard did. Nash plays well with others. The fact that Howard was refusing to run pick and roll is just mind-boggling.

And where did you get that Kobe doesn't play well with others? He's been on a team with Gasol or Shaq for how many years? We all know Kobe is a dick (in the way MJ was a dick), but have we heard anything that suggests teammates hate playing with him?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There is no excuse for what Howard did. Nash plays well with others. The fact that Howard was refusing to run pick and roll is just mind-boggling.

And where did you get that Kobe doesn't play well with others? He's been on a team with Gasol or Shaq for how many years? We all know Kobe is a dick (in the way MJ was a dick), but have we heard anything that suggests teammates hate playing with him?

Wait. Did you just put Gasol in the Shaq category.



Kobe basically pulled a him or me with Shaq, and had Shaq shipped to Miami.

Kobe, and Dwight cant stand each other, Dwight also asked that they bring in Phil Jackson. They didn't want to do that, and Dwight was a free agent. Kobe is an asshole, but, Dwight Howard was in a system that doesn't play well to his strengths. The reason the pick n roll worked so well for Steve Nash, and for Amare Stoudamire, was not only could Amare fly, but he was also very good at the spot up jumper. Something howard is not. The reason that the pnr with Howard and nelson worked, is because they spread the floor with shooters, and the only thing Dwight did was roll. That wasn't something that MDA understood, nor did Mitch when he assembled this team. Other than Nash, there wasn't a consistent shooter on the entire roster. It just wasn't a good fit period. he will be much better, and much happier playing with James Harden, and more importantly, FOR KEVIN MCHALE, who despite the fact that I don't know if he is that good of a coach, is one of the best big men ever, and that Hakeem is going to be really involved. Both, huge pluses.

[chiefzilla1501]

When did I put Gasol in the same category as Shaq? I'm talking about how LA has had good players on the team before and Kobe got along with them in the same way MJ got along with his. The claim that he's insufferable to work with are ridiculous, especially when you're going to blame Kobe for Howard when Howard actually HAS a track record of being impossible to work with. But I guess it's everybody else's fault but Howard's.

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

Wait. Did you just put Gasol in the Shaq category.



Kobe basically pulled a him or me with Shaq, and had Shaq shipped to Miami.

Kobe, and Dwight cant stand each other, Dwight also asked that they bring in Phil Jackson. They didn't want to do that, and Dwight was a free agent. Kobe is an asshole, but, Dwight Howard was in a system that doesn't play well to his strengths. The reason the pick n roll worked so well for Steve Nash, and for Amare Stoudamire, was not only could Amare fly, but he was also very good at the spot up jumper. Something howard is not. The reason that the pnr with Howard and nelson worked, is because they spread the floor with shooters, and the only thing Dwight did was roll. That wasn't something that MDA understood, nor did Mitch when he assembled this team. Other than Nash, there wasn't a consistent shooter on the entire roster. It just wasn't a good fit period. he will be much better, and much happier playing with James Harden, and more importantly, FOR KEVIN MCHALE, who despite the fact that I don't know if he is that good of a coach, is one of the best big men ever, and that Hakeem is going to be really involved. Both, huge pluses.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

When did I put Gasol in the same category as Shaq? I'm talking about how LA has had good players on the team before and Kobe got along with them in the same way MJ got along with his. The claim that he's insufferable to work with are ridiculous, especially when you're going to blame Kobe for Howard when Howard actually HAS a track record of being impossible to work with. But I guess it's everybody else's fault but Howard's.

Im not blaming Kobe for anything related to the lakers, and howard leaving. I believe that belongs on the shoulders of whatever buss is running things, and refused to fire Dantoni, and bring back Phil. If they had done that the moment they fired Mike Brown, the Lakers season is a lot different, and Howard is a happy laker right now. That's where the blame goes. Howard left because of Dantoni being the coach. Saying he didn't like Playing with Kobe, was just a side note that could of been ignored if Phil was the coach.

No one expects, or thinks that every team that plays together likes everyone. Hell, I didn't like some guys on my little league teams, or high school teams, and damn sure didn't like everyone I went to war with. Its funny how great leadership that you respect can make that much tolerable.

And to the Gasol thing. Gasol is not a great player. That was my point. He is a good player. Has been, but hes a product of playing with Kobe, and next to Bynum.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by RustShack

I can see it working. Kobe just doesn't play well with others, and there were too many stars in LA. Plus thier systems sucked for them. In Orlando he didn't have enough help. Harden played just fine with Durant and Westbrook, and I think he's a perfect fit for Howard.

I agree. Less egos in Houston. I also bet Howard improves offensively under McHale and working with Olajuwon.

[KevB]

Entertaining review of the season:

Top 100 moments of the season

Curry going for 54 in Madison Square Garden highlights is a helluva fun watch

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@SportsCenter: Lakers will target LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony in 2014 free agency, front office sources tell @ramonashelburne & @WindhorstESPN.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

@SportsCenter: Lakers will target LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony in 2014 free agency, front office sources tell @ramonashelburne & @WindhorstESPN.

[tecumseh]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

@SportsCenter: Lakers will target LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony in 2014 free agency, front office sources tell @ramonashelburne & @WindhorstESPN.

LA Implosion Take 2.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by tecumseh

LA Implosion Take 2.

Well, why shouldnt they, they have 2 players under contract going into 2014-2015 season. Nash and Robert Sacre. Well, maybe Kaman now. I dont know how long his contract is, may be just 1 year.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

@SportsCenter: Lakers will target LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony in 2014 free agency, front office sources tell @ramonashelburne & @WindhorstESPN.

Sky is blue.

[ChiefsCountry]

Kobe and Carmello, the two biggest ball hogs in the NBA on the same team. Gold.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I think it would be a great move for James and Anthony to make the move to LA. They have a great crowd there and loyal fans. Miami, while yes they have South Beach, amazing weather, etc., never seemed like a good fit for what happened there. LA is all Lakers, all the time (yes even with the Clippers showing signs of a pulse) and those fans would appreciate that more. The real Laker fans I have met are some of the nicest, loyal people. With all due respect to the Heat, it's just not the same down there.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

I think it would be a great move for James and Anthony to make the move to LA. They have a great crowd there and loyal fans. Miami, while yes they have South Beach, amazing weather, etc., never seemed like a good fit for what happened there. LA is all Lakers, all the time (yes even with the Clippers showing signs of a pulse) and those fans would appreciate that more. The real Laker fans I have met are some of the nicest, loyal people. With all due respect to the Heat, it's just not the same down there.

how is back to back championships not a "good fit"

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

how is back to back championships not a "good fit"

I'm talking about fanbases.