Arkansas Prank Went Wrong

[tooge]

I think it's tragic. However, if I were at home, it was late at night, and several people were roaming my property and messing with my truck, I'd probably shoot at them as well. It's not like people don't know that this can't happen.

People, DON'T GO ****ING AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLES SHIT, PARTICULARLY ON THEIR PROPERTY. YOU MIGHT GET SHOT!

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by tooge

I think it's tragic. However, if I were at home, it was late at night, and several people were roaming my property and messing with my truck, I'd probably shoot at them as well. It's not like people don't know that this can't happen.

People, DON'T GO ****ING AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLES SHIT, PARTICULARLY ON THEIR PROPERTY. YOU MIGHT GET SHOT!

Yeah, and you might get arrested and charged with murder.

Some teens are willing to toilet paper cars and houses and risk their lives I suppose. Are you willing to risk your life and freedom to teach them a lesson?

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Yeah, and you might get arrested and charged with murder.

Some teens are willing to toilet paper cars and houses and risk their lives I suppose. Are you willing to risk your life and freedom to teach them a lesson?

well, I probably would call the police if I lived in a neighborhood. I live out in the country, and my house sits about 200 yards off of a county highway. You can't see my house from the road at all. If someone is at my house, I'm fearing for my families safety, and while I probably come out with a gun and tell them to get, or fire a warning shot into the ground, I was simply saying that if I were frightened enough, I can see how this happens.

Not to mention, unless I could see that they were TPing the car, in which case, I'd just run them off, how do I know that they aren't thugs looking to steal my wallet from my car?

Look, I think it sucks. But, it is what it is. Don't go ****ing with other peoples shit. period.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by tooge

well, I probably would call the police if I lived in a neighborhood. I live out in the country, and my house sits about 200 yards off of a county highway. You can't see my house from the road at all. If someone is at my house, I'm fearing for my families safety, and while I probably come out with a gun and tell them to get, or fire a warning shot into the ground, I was simply saying that if I were frightened enough, I can see how this happens.

Not to mention, unless I could see that they were TPing the car, in which case, I'd just run them off, how do I know that they aren't thugs looking to steal my wallet from my car?

Look, I think it sucks. But, it is what it is. Don't go ****ing with other peoples shit. period.

Yeah, I get it. People shouldn't be thieves. Kids shouldn't be shit-heads that vandalize other people's property.

You can fire into a crowd of people for being on your property, kill somebody and claim you were frightened. That's still going to net you serious jail time in MO most of the time. If it's worth that to you, great. If they're in your home, then it's entirely different and the law is on your side.

I can't empathize with this dude. He killed a teenager and there was no mention of breaking and entering or assault of any kind. If it comes out otherwise, I might change my stance. But from the limited information available to me, I see a guy that caught teens ****ing with his car and stepped out of his home to fire into a crowd, and killed one of them. **** him.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Yeah, I get it. People shouldn't be thieves. Kids shouldn't be shit-heads that vandalize other people's property.

You can fire into a crowd of people for being on your property, kill somebody and claim you were frightened. That's still going to net you serious jail time in MO most of the time. If it's worth that to you, great. If they're in your home, then it's entirely different and the law is on your side.

I can't empathize with this dude. He killed a teenager and there was no mention of breaking and entering or assault of any kind. If it comes out otherwise, I might change my stance. But from the limited information available to me, I see a guy that caught teens ****ing with his car and stepped out of his home to fire into a crowd, and killed one of them. **** him.

I had a strong wind blow down a gate a few years ago. I thought someone was trying to break in. I was scared shitless. I grabbed a handgun, went out the basement door, and yelled "I'm armed" and fired a shot into the ground. Several minutes later, feeling like an idiot, I saw the gate down. I don't really have neighbors or anything, so for me, maybe it's different. I'm not empathizing with the killer at all. I'm just saying what might happen if it were me and I was at my house.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by tooge

well, I probably would call the police if I lived in a neighborhood. I live out in the country, and my house sits about 200 yards off of a county highway. You can't see my house from the road at all. If someone is at my house, I'm fearing for my families safety, and while I probably come out with a gun and tell them to get, or fire a warning shot into the ground, I was simply saying that if I were frightened enough, I can see how this happens.

Not to mention, unless I could see that they were TPing the car, in which case, I'd just run them off, how do I know that they aren't thugs looking to steal my wallet from my car?

Look, I think it sucks. But, it is what it is. Don't go ****ing with other peoples shit. period.

You keep your wallet in your car????

[Chaunceythe3rd]

Originally Posted by tooge

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Look, I think it sucks. But, it is what it is. Don't go ****ing with other peoples shit. period.

This. Plain and simple. When I was a young knucklehead I didn't think that there was a good possibility that my target would have a gun and be willing to use it; things are so much different now. Actions have consequences for both sides here - the kids and the homeowner. Lives affected forever and over something as trivial as this.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by tooge

I think it's tragic. However, if I were at home, it was late at night, and several people were roaming my property and messing with my truck, I'd probably shoot at them as well. It's not like people don't know that this can't happen.

People, DON'T GO ****ING AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLES SHIT, PARTICULARLY ON THEIR PROPERTY. YOU MIGHT GET SHOT!

well, you can always call the cops too! There's no way I'd go outside with a loaded gun and just start firing shots, that is absolutely the worst possible thing to do because you NEVER know who is out there. Maybe you end up shooting your neighbor who heard the noises and was coming over to help.

Point being, there is no justification for this shooting. The man who shot the gun was not in danger himself. Sure, his car was getting messed up and that sucks, but it's not worth taking someone else's life.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

well, you can always call the cops too! There's no way I'd go outside with a loaded gun and just start firing shots, that is absolutely the worst possible thing to do because you NEVER know who is out there. Maybe you end up shooting your neighbor who heard the noises and was coming over to help.

Point being, there is no justification for this shooting. The man who shot the gun was not in danger himself. Sure, his car was getting messed up and that sucks, but it's not worth taking someone else's life.

Some people think that their personal property deserves the same sort of protection and lethal force that they or their own families do.

Inside your house, threatening you and your family? Fire away.

Egging your car? Call the cops and file an insurance claim.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Some people think that their personal property deserves the same sort of protection and lethal force that they or their own families do.

The laws vary by state. Texas give more leeway to shoot over property than Arkansas, for example.

§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.html
car.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

well, you can always call the cops too! There's no way I'd go outside with a loaded gun and just start firing shots...

Bingo!

While there is a time and place to protect yourself with deadly force, this was not the case. A simple 911 call and a couple minutes later cops would be all over this. Let the professionals handle this type of shit, and keep yourself from going to jail.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Bingo!

While there is a time and place to protect yourself with deadly force, this was not the case. A simple 911 call and a couple minutes later cops would be all over this. Let the professionals handle this type of shit, and keep yourself from going to jail.

That's hilarious. Yeah, they'll be heading out Code 3 for a ****ing vandalism call. What world are you living in?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That's hilarious. Yeah, they'll be heading out Code 3 for a ****ing vandalism call. What world are you living in?

point taken, but here's the thing--you gotta exhaust every opportunity to allow the police to enforce the law before you start shooting things up. Now, I live in a town where the cops are about 5 minutes away and they would be in my driveway in a flash. But most people live in cities where it will take the cops 15 minutes or so to show up. Either way, the guy should have at least dialed 911 before he went all blast-o-rama and ended up killing a teenybopper.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

point taken, but here's the thing--you gotta exhaust every opportunity to allow the police to enforce the law before you start shooting things up. Now, I live in a town where the cops are about 5 minutes away and they would be in my driveway in a flash. But most people live in cities where it will take the cops 15 minutes or so to show up. Either way, the guy should have at least dialed 911 before he went all blast-o-rama and ended up killing a teenybopper.

Cops are 30 min from us.


Can we shoot now?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Cops are 30 min from us.


Can we shoot now?

no, you should move.