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[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I would take Geno Smith over Matt Ryan and think he's nearly identical to Bradford (more upside, lower floor).

The problem with Kiper's mock is that it is out of touch with reality. There's no way that QBs are going to fall as much as he (or some other experts) thinks. There are too many teams with extreme needs. Planning to draft "BPA" and hoping for a QB in round 2 (or by trading up into the 20s of round 1) falls completely apart if Oakland, Arizona, Jacksonville (which will have two shots at it), Buffalo, etc. take QBs.

Geno has better tools but, mentally, he is not where Ryan was. Ryan is and has always been great under pressure in big games. He brought his team back so much he earned the name "Matty Ice." Geno and Bradford haven't shown that yet and that is a big deal. Tons of these NFL games come down to the wire. That is one of the first things coaches look at when checking out QBs imo.


I agree about Kiper. At least 2-3 will go in the first.

Make no mistake, if we pass on a QB at #1, it is for a damn good reason and more than likely, Oakland, Jacksonville, and the others will pass too.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

Geno has better tools but, mentally, he is not where Ryan was. Ryan is and has always been great under pressure in big games. He brought his team back so much he earned the name "Matty Ice." Geno and Bradford haven't shown that yet and that is a big deal. Tons of these NFL games come down to the wire.

Make no mistake, if we pass on a QB at #1, it is for a damn good reason and more than likely, Oakland and Jacksonville will pass too.

You're a ****ing moron.

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by O.city

You're a ****ing moron.

Almost every rookie loses his first playoff game. He looked bad in his second game.

In five years Ryan has 16 fourth quarter comebacks and 23 game winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RyanMa00

In comparison, Rodgers has 5 fourth quarter comebacks and 9 game winning drives in eight years.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RodgAa00

When he won the Superbowl, that team never trailed a game once in the 4th quarter. It's not a coincidence.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

Almost every rookie loses his first playoff game. He looked bad in his second game.

In five years Ryan has 16 fourth quarter comebacks and 23 game winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RyanMa00

In comparison, Rodgers has 5 fourth quarter comebacks and 9 game winning drives in eight years.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RodgAa00

When he won the Superbowl, that team never trailed a game once in the 4th quarter. It's not a coincidence.

Yeah, because he carried the 32 ranked defense in the league to a SB win.

The reason Rodgers teams were never behind? Cause he ****ing outscored everyone, he didn't have to come back.


And if 5 years, Matt Ryan has how many playoff victories?

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, because he carried the 32 ranked defense in the league to a SB win.

The reason Rodgers teams were never behind? Cause he ****ing outscored everyone, he didn't have to come back.

The Packers defense was ranked 5th when they won the Superbowl. Go back and look at the record that year. He choked almost every time they were behind in the 4th quarter. What happened when KC beat them at Arrowhead? They trailed going into the fourth quarter. It happened again in the playoffs. What happened in the playoff game this year?

The fact is that he doesn't lead them back very often. This is a dumb conversation. Let's get back on point.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

Almost every rookie loses his first playoff game. He looked bad in his second game.

In five years Ryan has 16 fourth quarter comebacks and 23 game winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RyanMa00

In comparison, Rodgers has 5 fourth quarter comebacks and 9 game winning drives in eight years.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RodgAa00

When he won the Superbowl, that team never trailed a game once in the 4th quarter. It's not a coincidence.

So now Ryan > Rodgers

In spite of the fact that 2 years ago in the playoffs, those two QBs met face-to-face and Rodgers put on one of the greatest performances I've ever seen from a QB in the playoffs. It was ****ing zen. He made all the throws look easy, and that's even against some pretty aggressive tight coverage the Falcons were playing. He dominated Ryan and made him look like a giant smelly turd.

I don't ****ing give a shit about regular season comebacks. The regular season can go **** its dad.

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by SNR

So now Ryan > Rodgers

In spite of the fact that 2 years ago in the playoffs, those two QBs met face-to-face and Rodgers put on one of the greatest performances I've ever seen from a QB in the playoffs. It was ****ing zen. He made all the throws look easy, and that's even against some pretty aggressive tight coverage the Falcons were playing. He dominated Ryan and made him look like a giant smelly turd.

I don't ****ing give a shit about regular season comebacks. The regular season can go **** its dad.

I didn't say Ryan is greater than Rogers. Also, the Falcons were starting their dime back (Chris Owens #21) as the #2 CB in that game. If you watch the highlights, you will see Owens quite a bit. it wasn't as great as you think.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

Geno has better tools but, mentally, he is not where Ryan was. Ryan is and has always been great under pressure in big games. He brought his team back so much he earned the name "Matty Ice." Geno and Bradford haven't shown that yet and that is a big deal. Tons of these NFL games come down to the wire. That is one of the first things coaches look at when checking out QBs imo.


I agree about Kiper. At least 2-3 will go in the first.

Make no mistake, if we pass on a QB at #1, it is for a damn good reason and more than likely, Oakland, Jacksonville, and the others will pass too.

I think the "great under pressure" credibility Ryan might have had built up at one time ( which is questionable in the first place - do a few comebacks against non-powers in the ACC really warrant it) have certainly dried up as his NFL career has gone along.

Geno Smith's performance against Oklahoma, which should have won the game if his defense was even 1/4 competent, was better - and against a better team - than any Matt Ryan led comeback his last year in college.

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think the "great under pressure" credibility Ryan might have had built up at one time ( which is questionable in the first place - do a few comebacks against non-powers in the ACC really warrant it) have certainly dried up as his NFL career has gone along.

Geno Smith's performance against Oklahoma, which should have won the game if his defense was even 1/4 competent, was better - and against a better team - than any Matt Ryan led comeback his last year in college.

Did you watch the game last week?

Those 16 fourth quarter comebacks and 23 game winning drives are NFL stats. Not ACC stats.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

Did you watch the game last week?

Did you watch ANY of his other playoff games? or do those not count?

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did you watch ANY of his other playoff games? or do those not count?

The one where Flacco lead the Ravens back in the 4th? It's important man and it seems to come down to the end 50% of the time. We need a guy who can carry the team when the game is on the line. We need a guy who can make the play when it must be made. For me, that is the difference between Wilson and Geno. Wilson has done it much more often that Geno.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

The one where Flacco lead the Ravens back in the 4th? It's important man and it seems to come down to the end 50% of the time.

Matt Ryan's other performances you ****ing dip shit. You know, the ones where he scored a whopping 2 points against the Giants?

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Matt Ryan's other performances you ****ing dip shit.

Yes, I did. I watched the loss in Arizona and the loss in NY. He has shown he can do it in college and in the pros. It was no suprise when he finally led the comeback last week.

You know what Tom Brady and Russell Wilson did great in college? They led 4th quarter comebacks. It shows up in the NFL.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

The one where Flacco lead the Ravens back in the 4th? It's important man and it seems to come down to the end 50% of the time. We need a guy who can carry the team when the game is on the line. We need a guy who can make the play when it must be made. For me, that is the difference between Wilson and Geno. Wilson has done it much more often that Geno.

So let me get this straight.. You're saying draft Wilson because he's more flacco, Not Smith because he's more Rodgers?

You would rather have Joe Flacco as your QB than Aaron Rodgers?

And you're saying this with a straight face?

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by Zeke

So let me get this straight.. You're saying draft Wilson because he's more flacco, Not Smith because he's more Rodgers?

You would rather have Joe Flacco as your QB than Aaron Rodgers?

And you're saying this with a straight face?

That's not what I am saying at all. I am saying draft a QB that has the skillset and has won the close ones and come through when it counted. Draft a QB that looks like he can develop into someone as good as Joe Flacco is NOW.

I'm saying if Reid and Dorsey think they can get one of the two (Geno or Wilson) in 20s on up in the first, then wait and do it. If that's the case, I think they will.

Our second and third round picks are good ones and most of those teams in the 20's have QBs. Someone like the Saints who lost draft picks might be willing to trade.