BIG 12 AND SEC PLAY EACH OTHER

[Pasta Little Brioni]

PB is reaching BlackBobian levels

[Prison Bitch]

Ok, Kemosabe. Do you have tonight's pick-3 lotto numbers ready for us too?

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Ok, Kemosabe. Do you have tonight's pick-3 lotto numbers ready for us too?

As I said before, there is no point arguing with you. You can't see beyond much of anything, you made that very clear with your Ellis "piece of shit" talk. I'm sorry that you don't want the KU/MU series to resume. I'm sure there are a lot of you types out there. But, whether it's 3 years or 10 years or however many years, eventually you are going to have to get used to playing them again.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

As I said before, there is no point arguing with you. You can't see beyond much of anything, you made that very clear with your Ellis "piece of shit" talk. I'm sorry that you don't want the KU/MU series to resume. I'm sure there are a lot of you types out there. But, whether it's 3 years or 10 years or however many years, eventually you are going to have to get used to playing them again.

I know what Sheahen Zenger has said publicly, and that's really enough to base a valid opinion on. Certainly better odds than relying on some internet dork.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I know what Sheahen Zenger has said publicly, and that's really enough to base a valid opinion on. Certainly better odds than relying on some internet dork.

Ok, take Zenger at his word. He doesn't want to play them. But, in 2-3 years when the SEC/Big12 "challenge" schedules them outside of his or Self's control, you can use that as your excuse.

But really, you don't think that KU/MU/UT/TAM don't know that they all just ended 2 of the longest running rivalries (KU/MU 121 years; UT/A&M 118 years) and you don't think that those rivalries are important to each school let alone the majority of their fans?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

But really, you don't think that KU/MU/UT/TAM don't know that they all just ended 2 of the longest running rivalries (KU/MU 121 years; UT/A&M 118 years) and you don't think that those rivalries are important to each school let alone the majority of their fans?

No, not really. They weren't important at all to Missouri or Texas A&M. They preferred to play Vanderbilt and Miss State instead.


The reality is, most rivalries aren't that important. Only a select few even matter. Rivalries are nearly all gone now, even ND told MIchigan it was over. (Now ask yourself: is ND-Michigan football or the Border War bigger?)


I'm not saying it can't happen at all. Nobody knows the future. You care and I don't. I'm sure that reflects the KU fanbase pretty well actually.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I know what Sheahen Zenger has said publicly, and that's really enough to base a valid opinion on. Certainly better odds than relying on some internet dork.

He publicly stated that KU would never play a team that left the Big XII conference...but somehow CU magically wound up on their schedule. Things change.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

He publicly stated that KU would never play a team that left the Big XII conference...but somehow CU magically wound up on their schedule. Things change.

We already went thru this, and you're still as confused as ever.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Ok, Kemosabe. Do you have tonight's pick-3 lotto numbers ready for us too?

Do you get indignant when someone claims to know that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow? I mean, you can't predict the future, right?

[Saul Good]

Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.

[BourbonMan]

Unfortunatly..Saul Good is correct
Slive is looking at the big picture. He doesn't give a shit about KU/MU.
He is trying to make the SEC the Power house Conference.
You guys are trying to make Mountains out of Mole hills with this HE SAID/SHE SAID crap about KU/MU..

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's a legit point. I've mentioned on here before that Slive was rumored to want Duke and North Carolina as 15 & 16 with the thought process being that the SEC could become the dominant force in both basketball and football. A conference with Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina as historical powers, Florida as a current powerhouse, and complimentary teams like Mizzou and Arkansas would be an absolute juggernaut. What's more is that elevating the conference's basketball profile could cause all of the schools to invest in their programs...and there is a ton of talent in the SE that hasn't really been tapped by the SEC.

I was intrigued by the idea, but I worried that it could potentially be terrible for college athletics (and would likely spell the end of the tournament as we know it eventually) if that were to happen.

Slive has no love for the NCAA and no concern for the mid-majors (nor do I, really). If he controlled basketball and football, he would almost certainly try to pull the four superconferences (Big/ACC consolidating into the fourth) out of the NCAA and create a true football playoff plus a smaller (8 or 16 team) basketball tournament without any mid majors.

I don't know if that would be a good thing or not.

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by BourbonMan

Unfortunatly..Saul Good is correct
Slive is looking at the big picture. He doesn't give a shit about KU/MU.

Wait, what? Saul said that this new hoops arrangement is a backdoor way to get old rivalries rekindled. But you're saying Slive doesn't give a shit about it. (Which is correct, he doesn't). So you seem to be confused, because you really think Saul is wrong.

[BourbonMan]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Wait, what? Saul said that this new hoops arrangement is a backdoor way to get old rivalries rekindled. But you're saying Slive doesn't give a shit about it. (Which is correct, he doesn't). So you seem to be confused, because you really think Saul is wrong.

Yep, your right, he did flip/flop.

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

I still stand by my statement and still think that Slive is looking at the Big picture and doesn't give a crap about the KU/MU rivalry..except it would bring in lots of viewers and revenue.

Originally Posted by BourbonMan

I think this concept of playing other conferences for non-com is a great idea, it reminds me of the NFL...For example:
The AFC WEST have games against another AFC Divisions AND also play a couple of games against an NFC Division, the following years it switches to other divisions.
We could have the makings of something like that starting in the College ranks, SEC plays BIG12....Next year SEC plays PAC12, BIG12 plays BIG10..AND SO ON, AND SO ON.
This would eleminate playing CREAM PUFFS for NON-COM games, the only people getting hurt would be the Smaller Conferences and Schools.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by BourbonMan

I still stand by my statement and still think that Slive is looking at the Big picture and doesn't give a crap about the KU/MU rivalry..except it would bring in lots of viewers and revenue.

I'm not sure why people think these games bring in revenue. As I said earlier I would guess ESPN would attract more viewers to Kansas-Florida than the Border War. I'm fairly certain it would sell out in Lawrence or KC, too.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.

Hey Prison Bitch...you should read the bolded parts...they are common knowledge, despite your denial.