Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 51

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Oh yeah?

**** you.

No. I don't swing both ways. And you are not sucking my cock you waste of bandwith.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

It's not so much the 12 games...it's that people saw those 12 games and decided he didn't even deserve another chance.

That's pretty bad, and that's two franchises doing that.

And I'm sure he'll be #3 here in KC, proving that he does, in fact, suck a large amount of cock.

Tampa Bay and Cleveland may have very different evaluation processes, but Quinn was far more efficient after his first 12 starts.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

It's not so much the 12 games...it's that people saw those 12 games and decided he didn't even deserve another chance.

That's pretty bad, and that's two franchises doing that.

And I'm sure he'll be #3 here in KC, proving that he does, in fact, suck a large amount of cock.

Yeah, Denver really tried.

He started a whopping 0 games.

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I get that part, but that's only important to the REST of Freeman's career.
He'll most certainly be done in Tampa Bay if he doesn't prove himself in 2012.

In being just 25 after next season he'll have 5-6 more years left in his body, but he'll be all but finished as an NFL starter. He isn't going to get another chance to be "the guy" unless the QB, he'll most certainly be backing up, goes down due to injury.

He DOES NOT have 5 more years to prove himself to the Bucs.

You don't think he'll get another chance to prove himself?

If he falters this year and is let go by the Bucs (which I doubt)......he'll undoubtedly get picked up by a team looking for a QB and he'll get his second chance.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

No. I don't swing both ways. And you are not sucking my cock you waste of bandwith.

Bringing up Rich Gannon to defend any shitty QB was played out 3 years ago with Cassel.

What's next? Quinn throws 24 picks and you bring up Trent Green?

**** that shit. I'm tired of the ****ing true fans constantly referring to giant exceptions to the rules to prop up some piece of shit who should be playing UFL ball.

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

It's not so much the 12 games...it's that people saw those 12 games and decided he didn't even deserve another chance.

That's pretty bad, and that's two franchises doing that.

And I'm sure he'll be #3 here in KC, proving that he does, in fact, suck a large amount of cock.

He was not starting over Tebow or Orton in Denver. I wish people would ****ing get that point. Quinn has had exactly ONE chance so far in the NFL....and even that was ****ed up.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Rich Gannon never actually showed anything. When you throw out the rose-colored revisionist history, he produced nearly IDENTICAL results to Elvis Grbac in KC and in Oakland, he played in a dink and dunk offense with two HoF WRs.

Rich Gannon may be one of the most overrated QBs in Chief fan history.

That all my very well be true but he out played Grbac and most wanted Gannon to stay in the starting role. Instead Marty put Grbac back in the lineup and we lost. Yet Gannon went on to Oakland and took them to a SB. All after the age of 32.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yeah, Denver really tried.

He started a whopping 0 games.

There's this thing called practice, where players can show their skills.

Teams do evaluate players in practice.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

There's this thing called practice, where players can show their skills.

Teams do evaluate players in practice.

One of the dumbest things I've read here.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

One of the dumbest things I've read here.

How do you think Brodie Croyle won the Chiefs' starting job in 2008?

It certainly wasn't based on 2007.

He won it based on training camp and preseason.

Bottom line is that if Quinn had shown ANYTHING after 12 horrible starts in Cleveland, the Browns or the Broncos would have tried to keep him.

I don't even know why we're having this discussion. Pioli will never open the QB position up for competition here. It's Cassel's job until Pioli is fired, or Cassel sustains horrible injury.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Bringing up Rich Gannon to defend any shitty QB was played out 3 years ago with Cassel.

What's next? Quinn throws 24 picks and you bring up Trent Green?

**** that shit. I'm tired of the ****ing true fans constantly referring to giant exceptions to the rules to prop up some piece of shit who should be playing UFL ball.

Dude if you would pay attention you would know that I want Cassel out of here. I am tired of his worthless ass.
I was just pointing out that it has happened and will probably happen again.
Some of you need to take your sensitivity down a notch or 100. Geez.

htismaqe · 05-02-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

That all my very well be true but he out played Grbac and most wanted Gannon to stay in the starting role. Instead Marty put Grbac back in the lineup and we lost. Yet Gannon went on to Oakland and took them to a SB. All after the age of 32.

No he didn't out play Grbac AT ALL.

Grbac - 10 games, 57% completion, 6.2 YPA, 11 TD, 6 INT, 8-2 W/L
Gannon - 6 games, 56% completion, 6.5 YPA, 7 TD, 4 INT, 5-1 W/L

The idea that Gannon outplayed Grbac is 100% pure nostalgia and nothing more.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:49 PM

I'm very sensitive when people bring up dumbshit arguments that we heard three years ago to defend a shitty QB.

They were dumbshit arguments then, they are dumbshit arguments now.

Maybe we should go resign Tyler Thigpen so his legion of true fans can use the Rich Gannon defense to pimp him.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

How do you think Brodie Croyle won the Chiefs' starting job in 2008?

It certainly wasn't based on 2007.

He won it based on training camp and preseason.

Bottom line is that if Quinn had shown ANYTHING after 12 horrible starts in Cleveland, the Browns or the Broncos would have tried to keep him.

I don't even know why we're having this discussion. Pioli will never open the QB position up for competition here. It's Cassel's job until Pioli is fired, or Cassel sustains horrible injury.

He won it by default. We had Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen for his competition.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

He won it by default. We had Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen for his competition.

WRONG. They had an open competition between Huard and Croyle.

Huard sucked balls, so Croyle took it based on training camp and preseason.

Conversely, Huard won it the season prior based on the same criteria.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1428179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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