Who's the best possible pick at #23?

[Sam Hall]

I don't care if it's a reach, just make it feasible.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by buddha

I think Ross makes the most sense for a variety of reasons. First, the guy is a total stud at both CB and returner (two positions we aren't exactly flush in right now). Second, we are running cover two now, but who knows how long that will last? And even so, you have to have excellent CBs regardless of what scheme you are running. This is the Thorpe Award winner and he probably will be there when we pick. People like the OT from W. Michigan, but I don't like him at all. I watched quite a bit of the workouts from the Senior Bowl on the NFL Network and he isn't very strong or physical.

I really want us to revamp our OL and our WR corps as well as we get deeper in the draft, but you can't get it all done at once. I'd take a top CB who is also a great returner over all but two receivers in this draft (Johnson and Ginn).

I don't get the "Ross is a stud" sentiment.

I saw him play 4 times and I didn't see "stud" at all.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't get the "Ross is a stud" sentiment.

I saw him play 4 times and I didn't see "stud" at all.

Well he did win the Jim Thorpe Award, essentially given to the college CB that is the biggest stud.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Well he did win the Jim Thorpe Award, essentially given to the college CB that is the biggest stud.

Some good, some bad, some average:

2006 - Aaron Ross, CB Texas
2005 - Michael Huff, Texas
2004 - Carlos Rogers, Auburn
2003 - Derrick Strait, Oklahoma
2002 - Terrence Newman, Kansas St
2001 - Roy Williams, Oklahoma
2000 - Jamar Fletcher, Wisconsin
1999 - Tyrone Carter, Minnesota
1998 - Antoine Winfield, Ohio St
1997 - Charles Woodson, Michigan
1996 - Lawrence Wright, Florida
1995 - Greg Meyers, Colo St
1994 - Chris Hudson, Colorado
1993 - Antonio Langham, Alabama

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Well he did win the Jim Thorpe Award, essentially given to the college CB that is the biggest stud.

Yeah, and Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Weurffel, Rashaan Salaam, Charlie Ward and Gino Torretta have all won the Heisman.

BFD.

I don't know who votes on the Thorpe, but IMO, Revis, Houston, Hall, McCauley and Wright will all be better pros than Ross.

Again, JMO.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, and Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Weurffel, Rashaan Salaam, Charlie Ward and Gino Torretta have all won the Heisman.

BFD.

I don't know who votes on the Thorpe, but IMO, Revis, Houston, Hall, McCauley and Wright will all be better pros than Ross.

Again, JMO.

You're comparing the Heisman to the Thorpe? There are some studs in the league that were past Thorpe winners, can't really say the same for the Heisman.

Either way, my point was that the kid was the best CB in college this year - that is certainly worthy of being considered a "stud". If you don't think he can repeat his performance last season, fine, but it's not like he has just completely come out of nowhere.

IMO, Ross is up there with Revis and Hall as the best CBs in this draft.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

You're comparing the Heisman to the Thorpe? There are some studs in the league that were past Thorpe winners, can't really say the same for the Heisman.

Either way, my point was that the kid was the best CB in college this year - that is certainly worthy of being considered a "stud". If you don't think he can repeat his performance last season, fine, but it's not like he has just completely come out of nowhere.

IMO, Ross is up there with Revis and Hall as the best CBs in this draft.

You do realize that the Heisman goes to the best player in college football, right? At any position. Theoretically, these guys should all be studs at the next level.

I've not said he's come out of nowhere.

I've said, much like htismaqe, that I've watched his play last year, and IMO, he's the 5th best CB going into the draft.

IIRC, last time I looked at NFLDraftCountdown, they had him ranked 5th or 6th.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You do realize that the Heisman goes to the best player in college football, right? At any position. Theoretically, these guys should all be studs at the next level.

I've not said he's come out of nowhere.

I've said, much like htismaqe, that I've watched his play last year, and IMO, he's the 5th best CB going into the draft.

IIRC, last time I looked at NFLDraftCountdown, they had him ranked 5th or 6th.

Key word being "theoretically". In reality it goes to the starting QB of the team that is considered to be the best in the country.

I watched a lot of Ross as well this year, and I am a believer. Now I don't know if he's going to be a perennial Pro Bowler, but as I said earlier I have him in that top group with Hall and Revis. The main question about him is that he was essentially a one year wonder. However, he comes from DB U, and had to wait behind some current NFL stars before getting his chance. IMO, that's not a big knock against him.

[ChiefsCountry]

The #1 clip that is shown for Ginn is him burning the crap out of Ross. I'm not a 100% sold on him.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The #1 clip that is shown for Ginn is him burning the crap out of Ross. I'm not a 100% sold on him.

Neither am I, plus I don't like the fact that he's old (will turn 25 this September). I do think he has potential to be a really good Cover 2 CB and his return skills are an added plus. I would definitely take Hall and Revis ahead of him.