Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Please refresh my memory, what did Trent Green win again?

Oh for ****s sake - that's the best you have?

You're right, it was Trent Green's fault we didn't win anything. It had nothing to do with the career day defense.

When people make shitty arguments, they detract from the good ones. Yours is one of the former.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh for ****s sake - that's the best you have?

You're right, it was Trent Green's fault we didn't win anything. It had nothing to do with the career day defense.

When people make shitty arguments, they detract from the good ones. Yours is one of the former.

I really didn't think your post deserved my best shot. You said Alex Smith could be Trent Green, and I don't want another Trent Green. Why settle for another Trent Green?

So you really think Trent Green was a SB quality QB? Seriously? Like I said, he is getting better with age.

No doubt, he was a pillar of the community and a great guy, but he did have a lot of faults behind center. Like when he was rushed he would overthrow the ball repeatedly.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I really didn't think your post deserved my best shot. You said Alex Smith could be Trent Green, and I don't want another Trent Green. Why settle for another Trent Green?

So you really think Trent Green was a SB quality QB? Seriously? Like I said, he is getting better with age.

No doubt, he was a pillar of the community and a great guy, but he did have a lot of faults behind center. Like when he was rushed he would overthrow the ball repeatedly.

You overstate SB caliber.

Trent Green was easily as good at his peak as Joe Flacco is now.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You overstate SB caliber.

Trent Green was easily as good at his peak as Joe Flacco is now.

You really think so? I don't, but I guess that is ok, opinions.

Do you think Trent threw as good of a deep ball? As accurate? As composed?

That being said, Flacco winning the SB this year has given a lot of second tier QBs hope, since it wasn't a Manning or Luck caliber getting the win.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

You really think so? I don't, but I guess that is ok, opinions.

Do you think Trent threw as good of a deep ball? As accurate? As composed?

That being said, Flacco winning the SB this year has given a lot of second tier QBs hope, since it wasn't a Manning or Luck caliber getting the win.

Deep ball? No. I've said for quite some time that Flacco throws among the best deep balls in the league.

I think Green was far more accurate on intermediate routes though, and yeah, I definitely think he was as composed. He was a better decisionmaker and ran a far more complicated offense than I think Flacco's capable of running.

They're different, but in the end I think Green was a more productive and versatile QB than Flacco is now.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Deep ball? No. I've said for quite some time that Flacco throws among the best deep balls in the league.

I think Green was far more accurate on intermediate routes though, and yeah, I definitely think he was as composed. He was a better decisionmaker and ran a far more complicated offense than I think Flacco's capable of running.

They're different, but in the end I think Green was a more productive and versatile QB than Flacco is now.

That is a well thought out post, and you make me re-think some of my position. It is just hard for me to get it out my mind seeing him overthrow balls into the ground when under pressure.

That offense was very complicated, and that is a great point. But Trent had the luxury of the best running attack this team has ever had, and among the very ever.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

That is a well thought out post, and you make me re-think some of my position. It is just hard for me to get it out my mind seeing him overthrow balls into the ground when under pressure.

That offense was very complicated, and that is a great point. But Trent had the luxury of the best running attack this team has ever had, and among the very ever.

He also had 2 HoFers and 2 more perennial All Pros in front of him.

That was one of the best offensive lines in the history of football.

That being said, Trent had a run with the Rams in 2000 that was literally one of the best stretches of games I've ever seen out of NFL QB.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

That is a well thought out post, and you make me re-think some of my position. It is just hard for me to get it out my mind seeing him overthrow balls into the ground when under pressure.

That offense was very complicated, and that is a great point. But Trent had the luxury of the best running attack this team has ever had, and among the very ever.

Trent Green flawlessly executed the Coryell offense under Cam Cameron, yet Flacco struggled for years in that same offense. It wasn't until Cameron was fired and replaced with Jim Caldwell that Flacco finally became the first rounder that the Ravens envisioned when they chose him in 2008.

I think that Trent was a cerebral as a QB you could find, in any era, and it's a damn shame that Rodney Harrison robbed him of what could have been an even better career.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

That is a well thought out post, and you make me re-think some of my position. It is just hard for me to get it out my mind seeing him overthrow balls into the ground when under pressure.

That offense was very complicated, and that is a great point. But Trent had the luxury of the best running attack this team has ever had, and among the very ever.

Well it's important to separate TrINT from Trent. He got himself so far behind the 8-ball with the fanbase here after that first season that yeah, it's easy to remember those balls got on top of and hammered into the turf.

But when he was at his apex, those 4 years from 2002-2005, man he was precise. In those 4 years he averaged damn near 8 yds/attempt. And that was when only guys like Manning and Brady were putting up numbers like that. To put it into perspective, even with weapons like Boldin and Torrey Smith, Flacco's never averaged better than 7.4 YPA and on his career is averaging 7.1. That's even with the fact that he's a very good downfield passer.

Yeah, the system helped, but even the YAC yards were a result of the fact that he was so good at hitting guys in stride and frankly he just didn't miss very often.

For a guy with a sub-standard arm to be able to hit at 8 yds/attempt means that he was firing a hell of a grouping. He was putting it in the right spot almost every time.

History, if anything, has been extremely unkind to Trent Green. We don't realize how good we had it with that guy over those 4 seasons and I think that is almost exclusively because of how quickly people soured on him in 2001.