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Old 03-10-2013, 12:19 PM   #1
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:59 AM   #2
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All things considered, our drafts under Pioli were as strong as anybody's in the league. I'd say we were a Top 8 drafting team in Pioli's years. That darts up to the Top 4 or 5 when you include Herm's final year.

It was that ****ing QB position that he just never fixed. Ever.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:01 PM   #3
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All things considered, our drafts under ***** were as strong as anybody's in the league. .
Apart from the total lack of playmakers.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:10 PM   #4
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Apart from the total lack of playmakers.
Oh come on now. ***** completely shit the bed at QB. Aside form that, he was an adequate GM:



This is the team he assembled if it were to start today. All the grey are players he drafted. The green are the players he extended. Blue is for the player he traded for (Cassel) and orange is for the franchise-tag-extended Bowe.

It's not like Andy Reid inherited the 2008 Chiefs. That team was a cluster****.

Of course, that's not to defend Pioli's firing. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:41 PM   #5
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All things considered, our drafts under ***** were as strong as anybody's in the league. I'd say we were a Top 8 drafting team in *****'s years. That darts up to the Top 4 or 5 when you include Herm's final year.

It was that ****ing QB position that he just never fixed. Ever.
Did you just bong a quart of mercury?

The team won two ****ing games last year, and it would have won zero if not for the 2008 draft class.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:45 PM   #6
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Did you just bong a quart of mercury?

The team won two ****ing games last year, and it would have won zero if not for the 2008 draft class.
This team won two games because it had the league's worst head coach and the league's worst offensive coordinator and the league's worst quarterbacks.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:46 PM   #7
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This team won two games because it had the league's worst head coach and the league's worst offensive coordinator and the league's worst quarterbacks.
With horrible contributions from a guy taken 3rd overall in 09 and a garbage QB dealt for an 09 2nd. T-Jack was horrible last year...HORRIBLE.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:02 PM   #8
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The big question mark, still:

2012

Dontari Poe -- starting NT

Jeff Allen -- starting guard

Donald Stephenson -- swing tackle, maybe a starter at RT

Devon Wylie -- reserve WR

DeQuan Menzie -- reserve CB/S

Cyrus Gray -- reserve RB

Jerome Long -- placed on practice squad, scooped up by another team

Junior Hemingway -- bobbed on and off the 2012 roster, currently out of the NFL
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Adequate GMs don't blow picks on Arenas, McCluster, Baldwin, Bailey, who are all utterly ****ing worthless, and probably a couple more garbage picks from 2012.

And throw in 2009 as a disaster.

Justin Houston and Eric Berry are good players. 0 other playmakers. ZERO. In four drafts. Inexcusable.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:21 PM   #10
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Adequate GMs don't blow picks on Arenas, McCluster, Baldwin, Bailey, who are all utterly ****ing worthless, and probably a couple more garbage picks from 2012.

And throw in 2009 as a disaster.
2009 is what average drafts look like, honestly.

A few starters, a couple reserves, and a few busts.

We forget that because we've been repeating the "2009 was an abortion!" mantra for four years. But it wasn't, at least not the draft.

The biggest crime of the 2009 draft was trading the high 2nd for Matt Cassel, who basically single-handedly torpedoed this franchise for four years while ***** played the fiddle.

Getting pissed off at that decision is 100% understandable. And if you believe that poisoned the well against the rest of the draft, that's also 100% understandable.

But calling the other picks total garbage is pretty much deadwrong.

This team has had some extremely good drafting over the past half-decade that we forget what an average draft looks like.

Check out some of the Vermeil drafts if you want to see an organization shit itself at the draft.
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Justin Houston and Eric Berry are good players. 0 other playmakers. ZERO. In four drafts. Inexcusable.
I don't know, at the same time he had to completely construct our front seven and the offensive line. So he had a shit ton of thankless heavy lifting to do.

He can hardly be blamed for the shit offensive line job he had to undertake.

But I will say he has himself to blame for the gargantuan task he gave himself for deciding to turn the smallest front seven in the NFL (Herm's Cover 2) into a radically different 2-gap 3-4, which demands the biggest front seven in the NFL.
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We've been having this stupid discussion for four years now.

*****'s drafts were not good, and when you cite Javier Arenas as examples of "hits," that's all the proof your opposition needs.
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Seriously. The entire 2009 draft is worthless outside Ryan Succop.

Not a single player who deserves to be on our roster, including Tyson Jackson, the 30th rated DE in the NFL.

And that's average?

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Old 03-10-2013, 12:37 PM   #14
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Seriously. The entire 2009 draft is worthless outside Ryan Succop.

Not a single player who deserves to be on our roster, including Tyson Jackson, the 30th rated DE in the NFL.

And that's average?
A couple starters, a couple reserve players, and a few busts.

That's average in the NFL.

You'd like to do better than that, seeing how that's what wins in the NFL.

But an average draft isn't garbage. It's average.
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I just got done explaining to you: there are 0 starters from that draft.

There's one reserve, and he was the #3 pick.
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