Jeff Chadiha Interviewed on 810 this morning -Interesting bits about Cassel and OC

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by O.city

So we have Chadiha saying Haley didn't like Cassel and some other guy saying Haley liked Cassel.



This is gonna be a long offseasn.

Did he say Haley said that? In the OC the summary only says that Todd's dad says Cassel isn't good enough.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Did he say Haley said that? In the OC the summary only says that Todd's dad says Cassel isn't good enough.

Guess there's two ways to look at this:

1) Haley told the guy this story to say "I'm screwed."

2) Haley told the guy this story to say "I'm winning with a guy even my dad said sucked."

[FAX]

Originally Posted by O.city

So we have Chadiha saying Haley didn't like Cassel and some other guy saying Haley liked Cassel.



This is gonna be a long offseasn.

I think this might be a case of 1 plus 1 equals 3. It's amazing how often people will extrapolate facts in the absence of evidence ... no offense intended toward you, of course, Mr. O.city.

I haven't read anything that explicitly states that "Haley liked Cassel". What I have read is that Weis threw his hands up on Cassel, so Haley took over the job of developing Cassel. Then, when Cassel improved, Weis got the credit which irritated Haley. Haley admires and respects his father. I highly doubt that he would "like" Cassel as a player when his father called him trash on sticks.

I would also like to mention that the WR position isn't all about yards. Bowe's downfield blocking improved dramatically after Haley came along. In fact, it's one of the demonstrable reasons why some of JC's runs were so lengthy.

To me, it's beginning to look as though Dr. Evil has a "my way or the highway" philosophy that prevents him from seeing his own mistakes ... which, in turn, prevents him from correcting them.

Haley embarrassed Clark on the national tubewaves which is probably why he's gone. I don't think our core problems left with him, though.

FAX

[O.city]

Originally Posted by FAX

I think this might be a case of 1 plus 1 equals 3. It's amazing how often people will extrapolate facts in the absence of evidence ... no offense intended toward you, of course, Mr. O.city.

I haven't read anything that explicitly states that "Haley liked Cassel". What I have read is that Weis threw his hands up on Cassel, so Haley took over the job of developing Cassel. Then, when Cassel improved, Weis got the credit which irritated Haley. Haley admires and respects his father. I highly doubt that he would "like" Cassel as a player when his father called him trash on sticks.

I would also like to mention that the WR position isn't all about yards. Bowe's downfield blocking improved dramatically after Haley came along. In fact, it's one of the demonstrable reasons why some of JC's runs were so lengthy.

To me, it's beginning to look as though Dr. Evil has a "my way or the highway" philosophy that prevents him from seeing his own mistakes ... which, in turn, prevents him from correcting them.

Haley embarrassed Clark on the national tubewaves which is probably why he's gone. I don't think our core problems left with him, though.

FAX

No offense taken Fax.


I was just reporting what I had heard on here.

I'm starting to get the feeling that 1 of 2 things is gonna happen.

Either
a. Pioli brings Cassel back, which will lead to fail and he will likely be fired or.
b. Pioli gets someone else to play quarterback with all the bad juju flying around it's gonna be hard to get fans in that stadium.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by FAX

I think this might be a case of 1 plus 1 equals 3. It's amazing how often people will extrapolate facts in the absence of evidence ... no offense intended toward you, of course, Mr. O.city.

I haven't read anything that explicitly states that "Haley liked Cassel". What I have read is that Weis threw his hands up on Cassel, so Haley took over the job of developing Cassel. Then, when Cassel improved, Weis got the credit which irritated Haley. Haley admires and respects his father. I highly doubt that he would "like" Cassel as a player when his father called him trash on sticks.

People tried to make these black & white declarations out of Charles Robinson's tweets about Haley and Weis, where Haley must have been for Cassel and Weis was against him.

Except Robinson never said any of that. As you said, FAX, the story was that Haley and Weis disagreed on how to develop Cassel and Haley took over those duties. Robinson never said that Haley loved Cassel. Likewise, he never said that Weis didn't like Cassel, and he specifically clarified that in subsequent tweets. He pointed out that if Weis didn't like Cassel then he wouldn't have come here and/or the team wouldn't have hired him.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by O.city

So we have Chadiha saying Haley didn't like Cassel and some other guy saying Haley liked Cassel.



This is gonna be a long offseasn.

Nobody ever said Haley liked Cassel.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by FAX

That's all well and good, Mr. tredadda.

However, when the need arises, I hire experts who know more than I do about their given specialty area. A lot of people do that sort of thing.

Given that expertise has a purpose, is it too much to assume that NFL talent evaluators ... especially ones who have received numerous Executive Of The Year Awards ... should possess the capability to assess a quarterback's abilities without the benefit of observing three years of bone-headed decisions and screw-ups?

FAX

Exactly. He isn't getting paid millions of dollars to be allowed to sit back and wait for every spec of dust to settle before making a move. He should be seeing things before the public does, not at the same time or worse, later. Most people can evaluate talent after years of watching it under 3 or 4 circumstances. If that was his job, he is getting way over-payed.

Originally Posted by cdcox

There is one person in the USA who disagrees with this statement, and by chance that one guy happens to be our GM.

I wish that was true. If it was the pressure in KC would be multiple times higher on Clark than it is now.

Originally Posted by Brock

Nobody ever said Haley liked Cassel.

Well if we are using all these stories as somebody "said something" than somebody did say this. A few months ago it was said that Weis didn't like Cassel and Haley did. Who knows if that is true or this is true or if either is, but on those grounds it was said.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Well if we are using all these stories as somebody "said something" than somebody did say this. A few months ago it was said that Weis didn't like Cassel and Haley did. Who knows if that is true or this is true or if either is, but on those grounds it was said.

It was not said. The person who expounded on Haley/Weis after Haley's firing was Charles "Lil Naitch" Robinson of Yahoo. Despite it quickly becoming common belief, including in this thread, Robinson never said that Weis didn't like Cassel.

He even went out of his way to make that clear:

https://twitter.com/#!/CharlesRobinson - Dec 13

Weis and Haley had different ideas on how Cassel should be developed and the expectations.

Weis didn't think Cassel could cut it in terms of how Haley wanted him developed. So he effectively said "Fine, you do it."

At no point did I say Weis didn't like Cassel. He did not believe the kid could cut it in terms of what Haley wanted.

He argued with Haley and finally just threw his hands up and told Todd to develop the kid himself.

Nowhere did I ever say Weis gave up on Cassel or said he was a bad QB.

I was referring 2 who took reigns on the development end after the Haley/Weis fallout. Key word here is development - not belief.

Pioli never would have brought in an OC who doubted Cassel could be great. That wasn't the issue. It was how to make that happen.

And despite all this, people STILL think Robinson said "Weis hated Cassel".

Likewise, Robinson never said a word about Haley having any kind of particular fondness for Cassel, but people still act like he did.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigRock

It was not said. The person who expounded on Haley/Weis after Haley's firing was Charles "Lil Naitch" Robinson of Yahoo. Despite it quickly becoming common belief, including in this thread, Robinson never said that Weis didn't like Cassel.

He even went out of his way to make that clear:

https://twitter.com/#!/CharlesRobinson - Dec 13









And despite all this, people STILL think Robinson said "Weis hated Cassel".

Likewise, Robinson never said a word about Haley having any kind of particular fondness for Cassel, but people still act like he did.

Hold on just a minute pal! Are you trying to tell me that CP takes small snipits of information and twists them to fit their own beliefs then use that twisted snipit as undesputable fact that they were correct and everyone else is a moron?

Are you trying to say that the good poster here on CP don't actually know what is really going on behind closed doors at 1 Arrowhead Drive even after all of their diligent tweet reading and internet surfing?

I'm not buying that for a second, not one bit.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRock

It was not said. The person who expounded on Haley/Weis after Haley's firing was Charles "Lil Naitch" Robinson of Yahoo. Despite it quickly becoming common belief, including in this thread, Robinson never said that Weis didn't like Cassel.

He even went out of his way to make that clear:

https://twitter.com/#!/CharlesRobinson - Dec 13

And despite all this, people STILL think Robinson said "Weis hated Cassel".

Likewise, Robinson never said a word about Haley having any kind of particular fondness for Cassel, but people still act like he did.

Who said Weis HATED Cassel? This place is almost EXACTLY opposite of that - any time it gets brought up that 2010 was Cassel's one good year, the instant answer is "Weis".

Charles Robinson said Weis wanted to use Cassel differently than Haley and ultimately gave up and told Haley to take care of it. Haley was thus (reportedly) responsible for the run-first, completely unbalanced offense that gave Matt Cassel his one and only trip to the Pro Bowl.

[bevischief]

Have to hope that Pollard takes his knee out or someone else in the 1st preseason game...

[Ebolapox]

we're rat-****ed.

[tredadda]

Honestly this is the make or break year for Pioli at the QB position. I will give him the benefit of the doubt before that. Because in

Year 1: He realized we needed a QB and traded for one (Cassel) who showed the potential to be a legit QB. Plus there were no sure fire QB's in the draft.

Year 2: Realizing that some of Cassel's struggles could have been the result of crap talent around him, Pioli gives Cassel more talent around him and Weis.

Year 3: No need to address the QB situation because Cassel is coming off a Pro Bowl season.

Now Cassel has proven that he is not the solution at QB and it obvious to virtually everyone. There are studs out there for the taking. If Pioli is unwilling to address the QB position in the 1st, then his job should be tied to Cassel.

For that to happen though the fans need to make their voices heard by not going to the games. Sadly what will happen is the fans will still show up because there are many outside of the message board realm that still believe in Pioli and Cassel. They will blindly support this team regardless. This team will win enough to keep the seats filled and thusly maintain the status quo. The fan base is so conditioned to mediocrity that a 9-7 season and a playoff berth is considered a success. We came close to a winning record and playoff berth this year with all of our injuries and brutal schedule. It will be much easier next year when they come back and an easier schedule.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Honestly this is the make or break year for Pioli at the QB position. I will give him the benefit of the doubt before that. Because in

Year 1: He realized we needed a QB and traded for one (Cassel) who showed the potential to be a legit QB. Plus there were no sure fire QB's in the draft.

Year 2: Realizing that some of Cassel's struggles could have been the result of crap talent around him, Pioli gives Cassel more talent around him and Weis.

Year 3: No need to address the QB situation because Cassel is coming off a Pro Bowl season.

Now Cassel has proven that he is not the solution at QB and it obvious to virtually everyone. There are studs out there for the taking. If Pioli is unwilling to address the QB position in the 1st, then his job should be tied to Cassel.

For that to happen though the fans need to make their voices heard by not going to the games. Sadly what will happen is the fans will still show up because there are many outside of the message board realm that still believe in Pioli and Cassel. They will blindly support this team regardless. This team will win enough to keep the seats filled and thusly maintain the status quo. The fan base is so conditioned to mediocrity that a 9-7 season and a playoff berth is considered a success. We came close to a winning record and playoff berth this year with all of our injuries and brutal schedule. It will be much easier next year when they come back and an easier schedule.

That's all well and good, Mr. tredadda.

However, when the need arises, I hire experts who know more than I do about their given specialty area. A lot of people do that sort of thing.

Given that expertise has a purpose, is it too much to assume that NFL talent evaluators ... especially ones who have received numerous Executive Of The Year Awards ... should possess the capability to assess a quarterback's abilities without the benefit of observing three years of bone-headed decisions and screw-ups?

FAX

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FAX

That's all well and good, Mr. tredadda.

However, when the need arises, I hire experts who know more than I do about their given specialty area. A lot of people do that sort of thing.

Given that expertise has a purpose, is it too much to assume that NFL talent evaluators ... especially ones who have received numerous Executive Of The Year Awards ... should possess the capability to assess a quarterback's abilities without the benefit of observing three years of bone-headed decisions and screw-ups?

FAX

3 years plus multiple years watching him in new engla d.