Football Johnny Manziel’s Father Hopes Son Goes to Jail. Calls him a "druggie" - Page 4

**Dave Lane** · 07:07 PM

Johnny Manziel’s family has had enough of the NFL free agent quarterback’s ever-growing list of trouble. The former Cleveland Browns quarterback was back in the news this week after he was involved in another hit-and-run accident. And to make matters worse for him, his lawyer, Bob Hinton, accidentally sent a damaging text to The Associated Press. The text, which in part said “Heaven help us if one of the conditions is to pee in a bottle,” also mentioned a potential plea deal in Manziel’s domestic violence case and that the QB spent more than $1,000 on drug paraphernalia shortly after the hit-and-run.

Manziel’s father, Paul, was quite candid about the situation when ESPN’s Josina Anderson asked him Friday for a comment. “He’s a druggie. It’s not a secret that he’s a druggie,” Paul Manziel said in a phone interview Friday. “I don’t know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn’t (sought) it yet. Hopefully he doesn’t die before he comes to his senses. That’s about all you can say. I don’t know what else to say. … “I had him in rehab and he escaped and the doctors let him go, and that is a whole other story. So I mean I had him (in rehab) and the system failed. It didn’t work. “He has more money than me, so he can outrun me. Like I said, there are two things that are going to happen: He’s either going to die, or he’s going to figure out that he needs help. It’s one of the two. But we’ve done everything that we can do. Life goes on. You can’t just chase somebody that’s not willing to listen. The story is not going to change. It’s the same. … “I mean, I hate to say it, but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him.”

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**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

You've got a kid who's been told by all sorts of people the sun rises on his ass since he was probably about 10 years old. I think even a GREAT parent would have a hard time insulating him from all the adulation and raising a well adjusted kid. I know it happens, I just think it would be very, very hard.

The same can be said for Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, John Elway, LeBron James and any number of mega-talented athletes.

The difference is parenting and family. Manziel, unlike those mentioned, bought into the hype and adulation. The trouble usually begins when one begins to believe their own press clippings.

If a person doesn't respect their parents, siblings or any person of authority in their life, it's difficult to respect ones self.

**SAUTO** · 06-26-2016, 11:07 AM

His whole family appears to be shit.

Drug charges more than once

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Exactly Nobody here has any idea what kind of father his dad was.

No, but we have a pretty good idea of his parenting skills now.

If he was my son or daughter and I had virtually unlimited financial resources, I'd certainly be more active and attentive. I wouldn't go on national TV and say he should be locked up when I myself have done virtually nothing to help him.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-26-2016, 11:19 AM

Anyone in here who thinks that Johnny's parenting was the decisive element in his becoming a complete douche-bag narcissist, has a poor understanding of both parenting and human development. It's a complex confluence of nature, nurture, life experience, peer interactions, and a real bitch called free will. Genetics and parenting play a big role, especially early; however, life, friends, and personal choices hold much greater sway once kids head into high school and beyond. People who work with children and young adults understand that simple truth. People who suggest otherwise, are simply ignorant. Great parents can produce absolute dregs of society; likewise, some kids are able to thrive despite a shitty hand they are dealt. I see it every single day.

None of us know the details of Johnny's formative years, or the circumstances that have led him down this self-destructive path. I think it's safe to say his father knows him better than any windbags on a discussion board. I'll defer to his judgment that tough love may be the last best option to wake-up his kid. He may be right, or he may be wrong. In the end though, it's Johnny, not his dad, who will be the one to either figure things out--or not.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The same can be said for Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, John Elway, LeBron James and any number of mega-talented athletes.

The difference is parenting and family. Manziel, unlike those mentioned, bought into the hype and adulation. The trouble usually begins when one begins to believe their own press clippings.

If a person doesn't respect their parents, siblings or any person of authority in their life, it's difficult to respect ones self.

None of what you say here refutes the notion that this is much, much more on Johnny himself, than anything to do with parenting. As your own children reach adulthood, you will learn this yourself. Parents are like Presidents; they get much more blame for things, and much more credit for things....than they ever really deserve.

**LoneWolf** · 06-26-2016, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, but we have a pretty good idea of his parenting skills now.

If he was my son or daughter and I had virtually unlimited financial resources, I'd certainly be more active and attentive. I wouldn't go on national TV and say he should be locked up when I myself have done virtually nothing to help him.

How do you know he has done absolutely nothing to help him?

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

None of what you say here refutes the notion that this is much, much more on Johnny himself, than anything to do with parenting. As your own children reach adulthood, you will learn this yourself. Parents are like Presidents; they get much more blame for things, and much more credit for things....than they ever really deserve.

I couldn't disagree more. Throughout my life, I have never forgotten the guidance I received from my parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and parents and family of my best friends.

Without it, I have no idea of how my life would be today but it certainly wouldn't be the same.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

How do you know he has done absolutely nothing to help him?

Don't you think he would have said as much? All he's said to date is that if his son doesn't get help, he'll be dead within a year and recently, that his son is a druggie and needs to go to jail.

Why didn't he say "I've been tracking and following my son all over the country and I'm doing my best to convince him that he needs help now, not later"?

**LoneWolf** · 06-26-2016, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

“I had him in rehab and he escaped and the doctors let him go, and that is a whole other story. So I mean I had him (in rehab) and the system failed. It didn’t work.

But we’ve done everything that we can do. You can’t just chase somebody that’s not willing to listen. The story is not going to change. It’s the same.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Don't you think he would have said as much? All he's said to date is that if his son doesn't get help, he'll be dead within a year and recently, that his son is a druggie and needs to go to jail.

Why didn't he say "I've been tracking and following my son all over the country and I'm doing my best to convince him that he needs help now, not later"?

beach tribe · 06-26-2016, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave

I'd think better parenting prevents this travesty.

I have known twins with the exact same upbringing. One of which became a total junkie, the other, a very successful member of society.

It is very often that parenting plays a huge role, but some of the best parents ever can still produce people like Johnny.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-26-2016, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I couldn't disagree more. Throughout my life, I have never forgotten the guidance I received from my parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and parents and family of my best friends.

Without it, I have no idea of how my life would be today but it certainly wouldn't be the same.

Dane, the truth is...you may "remember" the guidance, and it may have certainly helped, but the other factors in your development likely had much more influence than the parenting--chief among them your own choices. Free will in one helluva a bitch; and most people don't want to accept responsibility or blame for their own choices. It's easier, and more convenient, to blame others.

stevieray · 06-26-2016, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I'm curious.

why?

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

It's a lie that his son has more money.

Secondly, there isn't a parent in the world with any common sense that would believe that their child would be in a"better" place if he was in prison. That's just utter stupidity.

And finally, no one would give a shit if the guy wasn't a star college athlete and chosen in the first round NFL draft. There are offspring of wealthy parents around the world that party and use recreational drugs everyday and those parents aren't calling for them to be incarcerated.

His father sounds like a jackass.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-26-2016, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

why?

I suspect it's because he feels differently. There is a certain kinship between same-gender parents and children that develops more into a friendship, especially with age. However, what you said is true...too many parents are solely focused on being their child's "friend." It's particularly bad practice during the children's formative years. As adults, a more friend-like relationship does seem to develop--especially with same gender children.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Dane, the truth is...you may "remember" the guidance, and it may have certainly helped, but the other factors in your development likely had much more influence than the parenting--chief among them your own choices. Free will in one helluva a bitch; and most people don't want to accept responsibility or blame for their own choices. It's easier, and more convenient, to blame others.

I've never been surrounded by people that blamed others and I can't even claim to know anyone that's blamed others.

What you're describing sounds like someone without a conscience. I can't claim to know anyone like that, either, but if I did, I certainly didn't know the person well.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 06-26-2016, 12:15 PM

If the Chiefs had drafted Manziel this would have never happened. The Browns are where QBs go to die. I think him being a Brown destroyed his enthusiasm and he turned to drugs. being Josh Gordons teammate didn't help.

06-25-2016, 05:22 PM
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