Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Tom, you're incredible. I run a facebook page with 550 Chiefs fan subscribers. To call me anything less than a die hard, sickeningly obsessed fan is hilarious.

Clayton, if you were a Chiefs fan you wouldn't be writing the crap you are writing. You 'd be expressing the positives because this team has turned from a POS (Herman's doing) into a contender. You aren't being realistic because if you were you would see growth. You are no better than whitlock and the Jeff George debacle.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

Clayton, if you were a Chiefs fan you wouldn't be writing the crap you are writing. You 'd be expressing the positives because this team has turned from a POS (Herman's doing) into a contender. You aren't being realistic because if you were you would see growth. You are no better than whitlock and the Jeff George debacle.

Norman ****ing Einsten.

[Hootie]

not only is he playing up to his contract right now...but he's exceeding it.

Seriously...enough with the contract. He's being paid like a slightly above average starter and right now he's playing like an above average starter.

So lets just get over his contract.

[The Bad Guy]

Just more proof that people will keep reaching for whatever they can to knock him down.

Plays a solid game after an operation just 2 and a half weeks later, team has a 9-4 record of games he's started, 25:5 TD/INT ratio, yet the "we want to be right crowd" keeps posting this nonsense.

I hated Cassel last year, hated him early this year, but he's won me over by playing good football. I'm sorry that some of you so desperately want to be right instead of enjoying some of the best football the Chiefs have played in over 6 years.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Just more proof that people will keep reaching for whatever they can to knock him down.

Plays a solid game after an operation just 2 and a half weeks later, team has a 9-4 record of games he's started, 25:5 TD/INT ratio, yet the "we want to be right crowd" keeps posting this nonsense.

I hated Cassel last year, hated him early this year, but he's won me over by playing good football. I'm sorry that some of you so desperately want to be right instead of enjoying some of the best football the Chiefs have played in over 6 years.

Spot on.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Spot on.

Sure is. I'm loving this shit.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Just more proof that people will keep reaching for whatever they can to knock him down.

Plays a solid game after an operation just 2 and a half weeks later, team has a 9-4 record of games he's started, 25:5 TD/INT ratio, yet the "we want to be right crowd" keeps posting this nonsense.

I hated Cassel last year, hated him early this year, but he's won me over by playing good football. I'm sorry that some of you so desperately want to be right instead of enjoying some of the best football the Chiefs have played in over 6 years.

Montana didn't always put out spectacular stats for us either.

Look, point is, how does the guy PLAY?

**** numbers and rating, is he on target and making plays?

This week, damned straight. And he got cut on less than 2 weeks ago.

He's a gamer. He might not be Payed-a-ton or Brett Favor-me but he's got us winning.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Montana didn't always put out spectacular stats for us either.

Look, point is, how does the guy PLAY?

**** numbers and rating, is he on target and making plays?

This week, damned straight. And he got cut on less than 2 weeks ago.

He's a gamer. He might not be Payed-a-ton or Brett Favor-me but he's got us winning.

And this is all that matters. He's the QB of a 9-5 team that has to win 2 home games to win the division and host another home game.

The bar continually gets moved, and people want to throw around the franchise label for QBs like they grow on trees.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The bar continually gets moved, and people want to throw around the franchise label for QBs like they grow on trees.

And it should.

Only for reasons of comparison (we have the old NE coaches and GM.)
The first WHOLE year Brady started they ran first and played good defense.

They won ugly games.

They DID NOT put up any significant rushing or passing stats.

They WON A SUPER BOWL.

As each year went by they seemed to move the slider more from defense to offense and kept changing their game.

SHOCKER!

Managed to keep winning jewelry.

My point would be that the first 1/4 year and then whole season Brady was completely leashed. They ran the ball and completely depended on the defense.

Only later did Brady become Brady (when he had that confidence that he KNEW HE didn't have to make it happen.)

Years later he learned he COULD make it happen.

Smart coaching.

They let him figure that out in time, all on his own...

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Rausch

And it should.

Only for reasons of comparison (we have the old NE coaches and GM.)
The first WHOLE year Brady started they ran first and played good defense.

They won ugly games.

They DID NOT put up any significant rushing or passing stats.

They WON A SUPER BOWL.

As each year went by they seemed to move the slider more from defense to offense and kept changing their game.

SHOCKER!

Managed to keep winning jewelry.

My point would be that the first 1/4 year and then whole season Brady was completely leashed. They ran the ball and completely depended on the defense.

Only later did Brady become Brady (when he had that confidence that he KNEW HE didn't have to make it happen.)

Years later he learned he COULD make it happen.

Smart coaching.

They let him figure that out in time, all on his own...

I think it is more of the people who say that they won't be happy until the QB does X, and then ignore the fact that they did what they wanted and start bitching about the QB failing to do Y...

[acesn8s]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

And this is all that matters. He's the QB of a 9-5 team that has to win 2 home games to win the division and host another home game.

The bar continually gets moved, and people want to throw around the franchise label for QBs like they grow on trees.

If we win the next two games, it will be the second 11-5 team Cassel has commanded in 3 years.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by acesn8s

If we win the next two games, it will be the second 11-5 team Cassel has commanded in 3 years.

Now now. You can't start using facts to bolster your pov.

It just isn't argue worthy if you do!

All things considered I'm already pumped for next year, no matter what happens this year I'd say we have a chance to show continuing improvement all around as a team and a franchise.

Back to CHIEFS dominance in the AFC/NFL.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Montana didn't always put out spectacular stats for us either.

Look, point is, how does the guy PLAY?

**** numbers and rating, is he on target and making plays?

This week, damned straight. And he got cut on less than 2 weeks ago.

He's a gamer. He might not be Payed-a-ton or Brett Favor-me but he's got us winning.

Yeppers.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

Statistics aside, name one thing Cassel didn't do in St. Louis that you think he should have done? 3 of his incompletions were inexcusable drops. One between Bowe's numbers, one that hit McCluster in the ****ing facemask, and one that Copper let doink off his hands even though he probably could have had a good 20-30 yard gain out of it. If those passes are completions, he hits 60-65% of his passes and probably gets over 220 yards.

He didn't just lead yesterday. He was the only source of offense. Our receivers killed 3 drives. The pass protection was shitty, but he did a terrific job of sliding around in the pocket to buy time. And the running game wasn't very good yesterday.

I get that he needs to beat big competition. I'm not totally sold on him yet. But to pass off not just small but major improvements in pocket awareness, throwing accuracy, ability to read defenses and recognize the blitz... If he plays consistently like he did in St. Louis, then yes, I am actually believing he could be a long-term answer.

Uprights keep moving. I was critical of Cassel because I wanted to see pocket presence, accuracy, reading multiple receivers, and the leadership presence to not give up when the chips are down. He's showed them all in spades the last month or so, to hell with the statistics or strength of schedule. That's why myself and plenty of others are changing our tune.

[Brock]

Still waiting on that link, unless you want to concede you just made it up.