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Old 08-24-2012, 12:29 PM   #1
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Here is an interesting read from JV. Who did not get busted, banned or denied.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/op...pagewanted=all
Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:30 PM   #2
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Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?
It's rumored that he's among the witnesses in the USADA case.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:31 PM   #3
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It's rumored that he's among the witnesses in the USADA case.
I love rumors. Vaughters was never Lance's teammate, right?
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:35 PM   #4
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I love rumors. Vaughters was never Lance's teammate, right?
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:43 PM   #5
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Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?
Most likely.

Others thought to include,

George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Christian Vande Velde
David Zabriskie
Floyd Landis
Tyler Hamilton
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:36 PM   #7
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Most likely.

Others thought to include,

George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Christian Vande Velde
David Zabriskie
Why would he do it in front of people? That many people?
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:40 PM   #8
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Why would he do it in front of people? That many people?
Its a Team Thing.
Have you ever watched cycling? Serious.

Watch the USPS year clips. Almost every teamate of Armstrongs were present on the last big climbs of the day protecting Lance.

It was a Team Doping Program.
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Its a Team Thing.
Have you ever watched cycling? Serious.

Watch the USPS year clips. Almost every teamate of Armstrongs were present on the last big climbs of the day protecting Lance.

It was a Team Doping Program.
No, I haven't watched much cycling though I respect the sport for the mind-blowing endurance and stamina it requires as well as the teamwork.

Any of this in-race doping captured by the multiple TV cameras, cell phone cameras, photographers, etc.?
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No, I haven't watched much cycling though I respect the sport for the mind-blowing endurance and stamina it requires as well as the teamwork.

Any of this in-race doping captured by the multiple TV cameras, cell phone cameras, photographers, etc.?
It isn't done while they are in the saddle.
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It isn't done while they are in the saddle.
After the race back in the hotel room kind of thing?
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Why would he do it in front of people? That many people?
The USADA case is actually against teams (USPS, Discovery, Radio Shack, Astana...); most of those people were Lance's teammates.

I'm not sure if the alleged witnesses are going to testify that they saw him doing it, or that it was an organized team thing. Team management and doctors are implicated as well.

The current rumor/theory is those teammates that are thought to be witnesses cut a deal with investigators.
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The USADA case is actually against teams (USPS, Discovery, Radio Shack, Astana...); most of those people were Lance's teammates.

I'm not sure if the alleged witnesses are going to testify that they saw him doing it, or that it was an organized team thing. Team management and doctors are implicated as well.

The current rumor/theory is those teammates that are thought to be witnesses cut a deal with investigators.
Thanks, this is enlightening. The last sentence in your post would seem to severely undermine the credibility of the "witnesses".
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Thanks, this is enlightening. The last sentence in your post would seem to severely undermine the credibility of the "witnesses".
Oh, there's certainly some self interest being served, especially since many of the witnesses are either still riding or leading teams, etc.

But if it ends up that you get 10+ people corroborating stories like Hamilton's and Landis' about systematic, organized doping on those teams, stories that have been so attacked by the Lance camp and reputations ruined...well that would be interesting to say the least.

Especially coming from people like Leipheimer and especially Hincappe.

But, at this point, all still hersey and speculation.
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Oh, there's certainly some self interest being served, especially since many of the witnesses are either still riding or leading teams, etc.

But if it ends up that you get 10+ people corroborating stories like Hamilton's and Landis' about systematic, organized doping on those teams, stories that have been so attacked by the Lance camp and reputations ruined...well that would be interesting to say the least.

Especially coming from people like Leipheimer and especially Hincappe.

But, at this point, all still hersey and speculation.
Don't forget Frankie and Betsy Andreu. Armstrong wrecked Frankies career because they were in the hospital when Lance told the doctors all the PED's he had taken.
PEDS took Lances nut.
PEDS took away the 7 Tour Victories.
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