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[blaise]

Originally Posted by Iconic

I don't understand... Jesus and Christianity are parallel. How can he hate one but love the other. I'm not Christian so enlighten me.

He says religion, not Christianity.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by blaise

He says religion, not Christianity.

He talked about Churches and Republicans/Christianity. It can be logically assumed that's the 'religion' he's talking about. Regardless, Just for the sake of argument let's say it's just religion. Religion and Jesus are still parallel. I don't understand this at all. It's like saying I love instruments but hate music.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

He talked about Churches and Republicans/Christianity. It can be logically assumed that's the 'religion' he's talking about. Regardless, Just for the sake of argument let's say it's just religion. Religion and Jesus are still parallel. I don't understand this at all. It's like saying I love instruments but hate music.

Did you watch the video? It explains exactly what you are trying to figure out. Religion in this day and age has been distorted and customized by many, thusly he doesn't like religion.

The Republican insert was a jab at the myth that every republican/conservative is obviously a Christian.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

Did you watch the video? It explains exactly what you are trying to figure out. Religion in this day and age has been distorted and customized by many, thusly he doesn't like religion.

The Republican insert was a jab at the myth that every republican/conservative is obviously a Christian.

Fair enough... He doesn't have to like religion that's fine. But it's not possible to like Jesus then either because that means you don't like what Jesus is teaching, which is essentially organized spiritual standards or 'religion'.

I understand what he is saying. But he should have altered his 'I hate religion and love Jesus' idea to I hate the human distortion in my religion but love what Jesus taught originally. That would be what he actually meant. What he SAID though, was Jesus>Religion. Which is just plain WRONG and literally ILLOGICAL.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Fair enough... He doesn't have to like religion that's fine. But it's not possible to like Jesus then either because that means you don't like what Jesus is teaching, which is essentially organized spiritual standards or 'religion'.

I understand what he is saying. But he should have altered his 'I hate religion and love Jesus' idea to I hate the human distortion in my religion but love what Jesus taught originally. That would be what he actually meant. What he SAID though, was Jesus>Religion. Which is just plain WRONG and literally ILLOGICAL.

The fallecy with religion is that a lot of churches or faiths have some premise or Bible basis, but the intricacies of the doctrine taught is were you find the negative issues.

Mormon's statement of doctinal belief and catholics view to the untrained eye doesn't seem that far off.

[WV]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Fair enough... He doesn't have to like religion that's fine. But it's not possible to like Jesus then either because that means you don't like what Jesus is teaching, which is essentially organized spiritual standards or 'religion'.

I understand what he is saying. But he should have altered his 'I hate religion and love Jesus' idea to I hate the human distortion in my religion but love what Jesus taught originally. That would be what he actually meant. What he SAID though, was Jesus>Religion. Which is just plain WRONG and literally ILLOGICAL.

Depends on how literal you take it....I have a big problem with organized religion and I believe that's what he's speaking about and to. I don't think the Bible was meant to spawn 15 different religions and 25 different churches to teach his lessons the way that particular church/religion interprets them, it's meant to be a guide for life. Just my opinion though.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by WVChiefFan

Depends on how literal you take it....I have a big problem with organized religion and I believe that's what he's speaking about and to. I don't think the Bible was meant to spawn 15 different religions and 25 different churches to teach his lessons the way that particular church/religion interprets them, it's meant to be a guide for life. Just my opinion though.

I agree 100%, good post.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Iconic

He talked about Churches and Republicans/Christianity. It can be logically assumed that's the 'religion' he's talking about. Regardless, Just for the sake of argument let's say it's just religion. Religion and Jesus are still parallel. I don't understand this at all. It's like saying I love instruments but hate music.

I believe he's using the term religion to mean a set of routines. Which is also a sermon I've heard many times. That religious formalities and routine don't equate love for Christ.
I really wouldn't say religion and Jesus are parallel.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by blaise

I believe he's using the term religion to mean a set of routines. Which is also a sermon I've heard many times. That religious formalities and routine don't equate love for Christ.
I really wouldn't say religion and Jesus are parallel.

Religious formalities do equate love for Christ because those are initially his teachings. If you don't accept his teachings how can you accept the man himself? It's like me hating everything my dad does but loving him as a person. Nonsense.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Religious formalities do equate love for Christ because those are initially his teachings. If you don't accept his teachings how can you accept the man himself? It's like my hating everything my dad does but loving him as a person. Nonsense.

There's a variety of religious formalities going at a variety of different churches, are there not?
Are you saying I'd have to accept all the religious formalities of Methodists, Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans in order to love Christ? Because that's what it seems like you're saying, and that doesn't make any sense.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by blaise

There's a variety of religious formalities going at a variety of different churches, are there not?
Are you saying I'd have to accept all the religious formalities of Methodists, Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans in order to love Christ? Because that's what it seems like you're saying, and that doesn't make any sense.

If all those formalities are truly his teachings then yes. I'm not debating on what is the true religion here. I'm simply stating what he says is illogical. You cannot love Christ without religion because he initially taught a form of it. He should have worded what he said more appropriately.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

If all those formalities are truly his teachings then yes. I'm not debating on what is the true religion here. I'm simply stating what he says is illogical. You cannot love Christ without religion because he initially taught a form of it. He should have worded what he said more appropriately.

Apples and Oranges here my friend, I attained none of the sentiments you did from watching the video.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Religious formalities do equate love for Christ because those are initially his teachings. If you don't accept his teachings how can you accept the man himself? It's like me hating everything my dad does but loving him as a person. Nonsense.

God is Love that is true. I am not quite grasping what you are relating here though?

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

God is Love that is true. I am not quite grasping what you are relating here though?

I'm relating what Jesus taught, Christianity, to religion. Which is what this man claims to hate. That makes his statement impossible because you'd be hating what Jesus preached - a form of religion.