Chiefs Our season and future is doomed! OTWP told me so! - Page 5

Hootie · 04-27-2009, 01:47 PM

According to our expert OTWP, Tyson Jackson has absolutely no chance to play at a Richard Seymour level, ever, and our 3rd round pick shouldn't even be on an NFL roster...totally wasted pick.

He didn't even charge me $109 for this information...

This sucks, though...I was hoping I could watch them and form my own opinion but he assures me, and the rest of you, that these guys are scrubs and that Pioli still disciplines his children by hitting them, which is wrong.

Tough weekend for Chiefs fans =(

Hasn't Pioli ever thought of a timeout? There are more constructive ways to discipline children...hitting them these days can cause long term emotional damage IMO.

Jeez.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I responded to you.

I want no part of BJ Raji at #3 overall.

The rest of the draft really doesn't make much difference to me - every single one of those guys has question marks.

And the guys we drafted don't?

Sorry, I'm looking at value, upside and need.

The only pick over the weekend that met those 3 criteria IMO was the WR out of McNeese State.

But hey, we can't control it, so why debate it?

Might as well shut the board down and save Kyle some money.

Direckshun · 04-27-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I've posted what I would have done several times, with no response. Not a single person willing to make an argument other than "Pioli is a GM, you're not."

I'll give it one more shot:

I thought I already have, but okay.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

1) BJ Raji

I'd take Raji too, but that's positional quibbling, and it's understandable to pass on him for Jackson, because Jackson not only fits a need and isn't a massive reach, but because we just gave millions to Dorsey last year, and it's possible that Pioli sees Dorsey as a Dockett-like NT that can beat centers and penetrate upfield. Raji would therefore have been a premature assessment of Dorsey, whereas Jackson is the de facto starter now.

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3) Jarron Gilbert

Again, to pick Gilbert over Magee is just being a contrarian because they have similar talents and similar size for the exact same position. You can't be upset over Magee when he'll have virtually no transition and won't have as far to go to be NFL-ready.

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4) Lawrence Sidbury

Let's be fair here; you would have picked Sidbury in the 3rd, and maybe even in the 2nd if we still had the pick. So you would have reached for him if you could have.

That said, I have no problem with getting this guy over Washington. Seems like it would have been the better deal.

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5) Jamon Meridith

No argument.

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6) Matt Slauson

Nooooooooo no no no no no. I liked the Quinten Lawrence pick because he has upside and he's got the measurables for the position. Slauson is a reach here. I thought the Jets were crazy to take him in the 6th, and I think you're crazy here. Guy isn't strong, can't play with leverage, he has no athletic ability, and he's pretty much as good now as he'll ever be.

You were doing okay with value until here.

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7) AQ Shipley

You would have taken this guy in the 4th or 5th, so you would have reached shamelessly.

I don't know, I like Shipley, but I don't think he can help us as much as Williams could, who was insane value in the 7th round. This is another player with upside and he makes LJ expendable.

I think Shipley could make sense here, though. Certainly more than O'Connell...

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7) Dannell Ellerbe

I was rooting for Ellerbe, too, but getting some competition for Barth is NOT a bad thing.

I actually wanted us to draft a kicker, but I wanted Jose Martinez from UTEP. But I just learned today that he tested positive, so what do I know.

**dirk digler** · 04-27-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree that the fact that they're in the formative stages of building the program does have relevance. This is a solid point.

Once it's up and running, though, all bets are off.

But if I never hear that "big, tough, fast, etc." line used again, either by someone in the organization or by a poster on here (who is not mocking it, obviously!), I'll be happy.

Totally agree.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I thought I already have, but okay.

I'd take Raji too, but that's positional quibbling, and it's understandable to pass on him for Jackson, because Jackson not only fits a need and isn't a massive reach, but because we just gave millions to Dorsey last year, and it's possible that Pioli sees Dorsey as a Dockett-like NT that can beat centers and penetrate upfield. Raji would therefore have been a premature assessment of Dorsey, whereas Jackson is the de facto starter now.

Again, to pick Gilbert over Magee is just being a contrarian because they have similar talents and similar size for the exact same position. You can't be upset over Magee when he'll have virtually no transition and won't have as far to go to be NFL-ready.

Let's be fair here; you would have picked Sidbury in the 3rd, and maybe even in the 2nd if we still had the pick. So you would have reached for him if you could have.

That said, I have no problem with getting this guy over Washington. Seems like it would have been the better deal.

No argument.

Nooooooooo no no no no no. I liked the Quinten Lawrence pick because he has upside and he's got the measurables for the position. Slauson is a reach here. I thought the Jets were crazy to take him in the 6th, and I think you're crazy here. Guy isn't strong, can't play with leverage, he has no athletic ability, and he's pretty much as good now as he'll ever be.

You were doing okay with value until here.

You would have taken this guy in the 4th or 5th, so you would have reached shamelessly.

I don't know, I like Shipley, but I don't think he can help us as much as Williams could, who was insane value in the 7th round. This is another player with upside and he makes LJ expendable.

I think Shipley could make sense here, though. Certainly more than O'Connell...

I was rooting for Ellerbe, too, but getting some competition for Barth is NOT a bad thing.

I actually wanted us to draft a kicker, but I wanted Jose Martinez from UTEP. But I just learned today that he tested positive, so what do I know.

I don't agree with you on a few of those, but at least you were willing to post your thoughts.

Rep.

Direckshun · 04-27-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't agree with you on a few of those, but at least you were willing to post your thoughts.

Rep.

Rep back for consistency.

If you want to share your thoughts on any of those, by the way, feel free to continue the conversation.

**luv** · 04-27-2009, 03:42 PM

Please continue the conversation. I love reading a couple of smart, rational people.

**DeezNutz** · 04-27-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Please continue the conversation. I love reading a couple of smart, rational people.

Shut the **** up.

**luv** · 04-27-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Shut the **** up.

**** off. I'm trying to learn here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

According to our expert OTWP, Tyson Jackson has absolutely no chance to play at a Richard Seymour level, ever, and our 3rd round pick shouldn't even be on an NFL roster...totally wasted pick.

He didn't even charge me $109 for this information...

This sucks, though...I was hoping I could watch them and form my own opinion but he assures me, and the rest of you, that these guys are scrubs and that Pioli still disciplines his children by hitting them, which is wrong.

Tough weekend for Chiefs fans =(

Hasn't Pioli ever thought of a timeout? There are more constructive ways to discipline children...hitting them these days can cause long term emotional damage IMO.

Jeez.

You know, I'm really sorry.

You're a stupid, ****ing **** of a person.

You start threads about other posters, never add ANY insight about football and you're just basically a drain on the forum.

Personally, I'm done with you and your ****ing bullshit, especially when you call out the very few people on this forum that discuss FOOTBALL day in and day out.

They don't discuss date raping, peeing on and touching their roommates weiners, and don't engage in deviant behavior.

You're a stupid, sick **** and now, you're going on Ignore. First time ever that I've put someone on ignore in 9 years but quite frankly, you're ruining this forum by calling out people for discussing football.

You're history.

Direckshun · 04-27-2009, 03:46 PM

That all said, by the way, if Pioli gets what's-his-taint from Arizona for a 2nd and a 4th, I will hump the shit out of his leg.

Direckshun · 04-27-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know, I'm really sorry.

You're a stupid, ****ing **** of a person.

You start threads about other posters, never add ANY insight about football and you're just basically a drain on the forum.

Personally, I'm done with you and your ****ing bullshit, especially when you call out the very few people on this forum that discuss FOOTBALL day in and day out.

They don't discuss date raping, peeing on and touching their roommates weiners, and don't engage in deviant behavior.

You're a stupid, sick **** and now, you're going on Ignore. First time ever that I've put someone on ignore in 9 years but quite frankly, you're ruining this forum by calling out people for discussing football.

You're history.

Well it's hard to argue with any of that.

I'm racking my brain trying to predict to how Hootie will react.

I'm taking bets for "more of the same," folks. 2 to 1.

**Nzoner** · 04-27-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

That all said, by the way, if Pioli gets what's-his-taint from Arizona for a 2nd and a 4th, I will hump the shit out of his leg.

Now that I may pay $109 to see

htismaqe · 04-27-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And the guys we drafted don't?

Sorry, I'm looking at value, upside and need.

The only pick over the weekend that met those 3 criteria IMO was the WR out of McNeese State.

But hey, we can't control it, so why debate it?

Might as well shut the board down and save Kyle some money.

Everybody picked on the 2nd day - the guys on your list, the guys we draft, everybody.

And I'm looking at value and upside as well. But when it comes to NEED, the only people that know what we need work at 1 Arrowhead. They didn't pick guys that I thought we should, but obviously those guys think we have different needs than I do.

I'm not suggesting we don't discuss it at all. No need to even go down that road.

**Buehler445** · 04-27-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't agree with you on a few of those, but at least you were willing to post your thoughts.

Rep.

I can't disagree with your dislike of the picks, but I can honestly say I don't know what I would have done, but I'm not thrilled either.

Unfortunately (maybe fortunately, I was at a Royals game Saturday, and driving back to BFE Sunday.

I'm not as worked up as you, but I am in the "

I hope they know wtf they are doing."
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**DeezNutz** · 04-27-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

That all said, by the way, if Pioli gets what's-his-taint from Arizona for a 2nd and a 4th, I will hump the shit out of his leg.

If he hadn't traded away Gonzo, wasting more draft picks on Boldin wouldn't even be necessary. /sort of kidding, yet oddly serious in a TF kind of way/

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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Our season and future is doomed! OTWP told me so! According to our expert OTWP, Tyson Jackson has absolutely no chance to play at a Richard Seymour level, ever, and our 3rd round pick shouldn't even be on an NFL roster...totally wasted pick. He didn't even charge me $109 for this information... This sucks, though...I was hoping I could watch them and form my own opinion but he assures me, and the rest of you, that these guys are scrubs and that Pioli still disciplines his children by hitting them, which is wrong. Tough weekend for Chiefs fans =( Hasn't Pioli ever thought of a timeout? There are more constructive ways to discipline children...hitting them these days can cause long term emotional damage IMO. Jeez.
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